Category talk:Azerbaijani predicatives

Are adjectives really predicatives?

I think some pages included in this category are actually adjectives (and maybe nouns) which are used with olmaq (“to be”) to make up a predicative. Examples with <infinitive> → <1st person present simple>: sahib olmaq → sahibəm; malik olmaq → malikəm; məhrum olmaq → məhrumam and etc. Wiki6421 (talk) 19:42, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Adjectives typically can be used both attributively and predicatively. It is a question whether sahib and malik really can be used attributively. You can say çox sərvətə malik adam 'a man in posession of much wealth' and qollarından məhrum adam 'a man deprived of arms', but I'm not sure whether this is an attributive or predicative use... And even in these examples I know it is much much more common to say çox sərvətə malik olan adam and qollarından məhrum olmuş adam. So they behave too un-adjectivishly for my taste to call them adjectives. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 18:23, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

I'll try to discuss it with my teacher ASAP. Wiki6421 (talk) 21:12, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

umm, sorry for my very soon reply. she had said that these words are just adjective. however, i think the usage as sənə aşiqəm, külli miqdarda sərvətə malikdir etc. are present simple forms of respectively aşiq olmaq and malik olmaq. this also makes more sense while explaining via English; we generally use forms of to be in English, too. Sincerely yours, 6421 15:54, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Oh well if your teacher said so, then I bow for her authority. No, just kidding.

Obviously parts of speech in Azerbaijani cannot be assigned on the basis of "what makes more sense while explaining via English". Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 18:36, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

i mean, that's pretty normal for her to consider these adjectives 'cause the official standards determined by Institute of Linguistics of ANAS named after Nasimi and taught in schools -which she also studied at- are much more different than our standards in wikt. so, i don't agree with this usage either.

on the other hand, will we continue to include all adjectives that can be used after a case of noun as predicative — a completely different pos? i don't anglify our grammar but even without explaining via english, layiqəm makes more sense as the present simple form of layiq olmaq. i included an english example because it just makes it a little more understandable and nothing else. Sincerely yours, 6421 19:41, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

layiq is not a very good counter-example, because it is indeed an adjective insofar as it can be used both attributively (ən yaxşısına layiq insan) and predicatively (O ən yxşısına layiqdir.). On the contrary, e.g. lazım cannot be used attributively, one cannot say hər kəsə lazım kitab, one has to say hər kəsə lazım olan kitab. Allahverdi Verdizade (talk) 11:20, 6 April 2023 (UTC)