Reconstruction talk:Old Median/ganǰam
Latest comment: 13 days ago by Agamemenon in topic Possible borrowing from Chinese
Middle Persian spelling[edit]
gnc is probably the Book Pahlavi spelling, and gnz is the Manichaean spelling, not the other way around, please check this. --Z 08:28, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- Median form should be *ganzam and Middle Median *ganǰ. Compare Old Persian *𐎥𐎴𐏀𐎲𐎼 (*ganzabara) a Median loanword.--Calak (talk) 15:01, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- It makes more sense that OP borrowed OM ǰ as a z than PIr ǰ > OM z > MM ǰ. --Victar (talk) 16:27, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry, I didn't understand. Do you speak about PIr *ǰ or *ĵ? I think you are talking about PIr *ĵ /dz/.--Calak (talk) 18:18, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- @Calak: For a comparison of PIr ĵ > OM z, see *buzah. --Victar (talk) 20:14, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- @Victar: Now can you tell me PIr form of Median *ganǰam?--Calak (talk) 13:23, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- @Calak: For a comparison of PIr ĵ > OM z, see *buzah. --Victar (talk) 20:14, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry, I didn't understand. Do you speak about PIr *ǰ or *ĵ? I think you are talking about PIr *ĵ /dz/.--Calak (talk) 18:18, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- It makes more sense that OP borrowed OM ǰ as a z than PIr ǰ > OM z > MM ǰ. --Victar (talk) 16:27, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
Possible borrowing from Chinese[edit]
Wild guess, but could this be borrowed from Middle Chinese 金子 (MC kim tsiX, “gold (especially used as currency)”)? Presumably this would have to be borrowed via trade contacts in this case, not sure if the historical record here makes this derivation feasible. Is there a plausible historical route for this word to enter Median and not other Iranic languages? The hypothetical timeframe also seems to be rather narrow, based on how the 子 in 金子 is read with to-on, as opposed to kan-on, in Japanese. The vowel mismatch seems problematic, though. Agamemenon (talk) 08:41, 22 May 2024 (UTC)