Reconstruction talk:Proto-Germanic/budô

Etymology

@Anglom: You gave the edit comment:

(As I said, of course they're related. The original meaning is "to make known", *budą and *budô are directly derived; *budōną is secondarily derived, as evidenced by it's denominal derivation in the second grade.)

The original meaning of what is "to make known"? And I don't know what you mean by "second grade".

Please Ping. Eric Kvaalen (talk) 10:32, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

@Eric Kvaalen: The original meaning of the strong verb *beudaną was "to be aware > to make aware > to offer", later it picked up the sense "to command". From the strong verb, [zero-grade action noun] *budą and [agentive] *budô, are derived. The verb *budōną "to give an offer, message" is denominative, derived from *budą, "offer, message". Therefore, they're all related, but the first two are primarily-derived while *budōną is secondary. The second class of weak verbs largely fulfills two functions, iterative and denominative, where the latter requires a noun or adjective for derivation. Anglom (talk) 17:53, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

@Anglom: So let's write

From zero-grade of Proto-Indo-European *bʰewdʰ-. Related to *beudaną (“to make known, proclaim; to offer”) and to *budōną (“to announce”).

or put *budōną under Descendants or Derived terms. We should add the meaning of "to make known, proclaim, announce" to the entry on *beudaną.

So when you wrote "second grade" you meant Class 2?

By the way, can you comment on Wiktionary:Tea_room/2018/November#aungel or Wiktionary:Tea_room/2018/November#Middle English nouns?

Eric Kvaalen (talk) 07:39, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

(So let's write

From zero-grade of Proto-Indo-European *bʰewdʰ-)

We could but it is very likely a Germanic innovation/development, so it doesn't make much sense to put it that way.

(We should add the meaning of "to make known, proclaim, announce" to the entry on *beudaną.)

Not really, it was an early, pre-Germanic stepping stone to the attested meaning; it's fine as it is. Also I'm not really sure what to say on the other matters, sorry. Anglom (talk) 22:19, 29 November 2018 (UTC)