Reconstruction talk:Proto-Indo-European/h₃erdʰ-

This root is really imaginative. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 07:16, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Would it be advisable to move it to *h₃rdʰwo- (the reconstruction provided in the Sanskrit entry)? If there is no sign of dissent, I suggest we do so, lest various entries linked to this appendix (from the main namespace) contain disparate reconstructions. The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 14:15, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

@Rua, JohnC5: *h₃erdʰ- seems like a more realistic reconstruction. --Victar (talk) 02:18, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

@Victar: The *-H- is on the basis of Sanskrit ऊर्ध्व (ūrdhvá), but Schrijver (1991:312), De Vaan, and others argue against this. There's also no evidence of either #irC- or #urC- in the Rig Veda, leading some to propose that a regular outcome of *#Hr̥C- was #īrC- or #ūrC-. The details of this proposal escape me, but the rest of the IIr data do not not support the reconstruction of a laryngeal. —*i̯óh₁nC^[5] 00:38, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

@JohnC5: Right, *#Hr̥C- pretty reliably yields #ṛ- in Sanskrit (cf. *Hr̥ĵipyás). To me, the PII descendants clearly look like a laryngeal metathesis, PIE *h₂r̥dʰ-wó-s > *r̥h₂dʰ-wó-s > PII *r̥Hdʰwás > (-r̥H-w-) ऊर्ध्व (ūrdhva), 𐬆𐬭𐬆𐬜𐬡𐬀‎ (ər^əδβa‎). --Victar (talk) 02:57, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

@Victar: Yeah, I don't remember what this proposal said. Regardless, I don't think this is prood enough for this funky looking root shape. —*i̯óh₁nC^[5] 03:19, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

@JohnC5: Shall we move this to *h₃erdʰ- than? --Victar (talk) 04:12, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

@Victar: Done! —*i̯óh₁nC^[5] 05:33, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

@JohnC5: We need *h₃- for the Greek. Please see the sources I added. --Victar (talk) 05:37, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

@Victar: Damn it. —*i̯óh₁nC^[5] 05:51, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

@JohnC5: Haha, sorry, and thanks! --Victar (talk) 05:53, 2 February 2018 (UTC)