Talk:беременная
Latest comment: 8 years ago by Wikitiki89 in topic Not really feminine-only
Not really feminine-only[edit]
(Notifying Atitarev, Cinemantique, KoreanQuoter, Useigor, Wanjuscha): This isn't really feminine-only. Of course when used with a male person in the literal sense, it can only be humorous or hypothetical (but even that may not always be true anymore), but the masculine isn't only used for male people. For example: "беременный живот", "беременный водитель автобуса" (referring to a female), etc. I think we should just treat this as an ordinary adjective, with беременный as the lemma and беременная as an ordinary form-of entry. --WikiTiki89 14:58, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- I agree since it's usually feminine. —Игорь Тълкачь (talk) 20:14, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- (Notifying Benwing2, Cinemantique, KoreanQuoter, Useigor, Wanjuscha, Wikitiki89): . Yes, I totally agree. I made бере́менный (berémennyj) for completeness, anyway. I heard and used myself "беременный таракан" when I was a student, cf "Сегодня ты движешься, как беременный барсук!" in Google books. There's also "беременный страхом" and like Wikitiki89 said, a masculine form can be used to professions in masculines but referencing women. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 03:19, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
- @Atitarev, Cinemantique, Wikitiki89, Wanjuscha, KoreanQuoter I think that беременный should be the lemma and just defined as "pregnant", perhaps with an additional figurative meaning but not the strange current definition where it's specified as being the feminine (??!) nominative singular of беременная. беременная should just be a normal inflected form. If necessary, add a usage note to беременный indicating that the masculine and neuter forms are less common than the feminine one due to the semantics of the adjective. Benwing2 (talk) 03:34, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
- Just curious: would беременная have a substantive meaning as a noun? --KoreanQuoter (talk) 03:54, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
- Yes. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 04:33, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
- I would say not really, (or not any more so than an average adjective). I would prefer to say "беременная женщина" rather than just "беременная" as a noun. --WikiTiki89 15:12, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
- There are many instances of nominalised usage, which are easy to check, "беременная женщина" sounds more polite, though. In case it wasn't clear, I don't object the masculine form to be the lemma. --00:23, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- But any adjective can be nominalized, the question is whether it frequent enough to do deserve an entry as a noun, and don't think it is. --WikiTiki89 14:00, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- There are many instances of nominalised usage, which are easy to check, "беременная женщина" sounds more polite, though. In case it wasn't clear, I don't object the masculine form to be the lemma. --00:23, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
- Just curious: would беременная have a substantive meaning as a noun? --KoreanQuoter (talk) 03:54, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
- @Atitarev, Cinemantique, Wikitiki89, Wanjuscha, KoreanQuoter I think that беременный should be the lemma and just defined as "pregnant", perhaps with an additional figurative meaning but not the strange current definition where it's specified as being the feminine (??!) nominative singular of беременная. беременная should just be a normal inflected form. If necessary, add a usage note to беременный indicating that the masculine and neuter forms are less common than the feminine one due to the semantics of the adjective. Benwing2 (talk) 03:34, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
- (Notifying Benwing2, Cinemantique, KoreanQuoter, Useigor, Wanjuscha, Wikitiki89): . Yes, I totally agree. I made бере́менный (berémennyj) for completeness, anyway. I heard and used myself "беременный таракан" when I was a student, cf "Сегодня ты движешься, как беременный барсук!" in Google books. There's also "беременный страхом" and like Wikitiki89 said, a masculine form can be used to professions in masculines but referencing women. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 03:19, 10 April 2016 (UTC)