Talk:едино-
Latest comment: 5 years ago by Atitarev
(Notifying Atitarev, Cinemantique, Useigor, Wikitiki89, Stephen G. Brown, Guldrelokk, Fay Freak, Tetromino, Per utramque cavernam): Is it correct that the /j/ is optional in this word, and generally word-initially before an unstressed vowel? Benwing2 (talk) 01:33, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
- Cf. Евро́па (Jevrópa). Benwing2 (talk) 01:33, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
- I’d say yes, in your view. It is at least far less marked than it would be with most unstressed leading е-s. You have the same in еже- (ježe-) (even though it has secondy stress), correctly. You can say it this way. Also его́ (jevó) is virtually always spoken without leading /j/ by rural people in the areas of и́канье. еба́ть (jebátʹ) is put on Wiktionary with both variants but I don’t think this word is ever heard without /j/, and one hears it often. I don’t how where the rules lie. язы́к (jazýk) is spoken without /j/ by the same people who speak его́ (jevó) without /j/, but I don’t know if я- has different results. Would it be likely that янта́рь (jantárʹ) is spoken without /j/? Far less so, meseems. Fay Freak (talk) 03:21, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
- (Notifying Atitarev, Cinemantique, Useigor, Wikitiki89, Stephen G. Brown, Guldrelokk, Fay Freak, Tetromino, Per utramque cavernam): Thanks. What the module does currently is to make *all* occurrences of /j/ optional before unstressed /ɪ/ when the /j/ occurs either between-vowels or word-initially, except for when a consonant immediately precedes the word boundary (e.g. in в Евро́па the /j/ made mandatory, not optional). Is this right? It seems the extent of the optionality varies from word to word and from register to register, but maybe at least it's always somewhat of a possibility? Benwing2 (talk) 05:15, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
- Well it would never be wrong to always display the /j/. And perhaps a lack of rules is connected to multiple dialects and sociolects being unified, like from one lect only single words being prominent. Like people who have been Low-German-influenced keep single words like wat in their speech and otherwise speak Hochdeutsch. Fay Freak (talk) 05:26, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
- (Notifying Atitarev, Cinemantique, Useigor, Wikitiki89, Stephen G. Brown, Guldrelokk, Fay Freak, Tetromino, Per utramque cavernam): Thanks. What the module does currently is to make *all* occurrences of /j/ optional before unstressed /ɪ/ when the /j/ occurs either between-vowels or word-initially, except for when a consonant immediately precedes the word boundary (e.g. in в Евро́па the /j/ made mandatory, not optional). Is this right? It seems the extent of the optionality varies from word to word and from register to register, but maybe at least it's always somewhat of a possibility? Benwing2 (talk) 05:15, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Benwing2: Words with the initial non-stressed е-, я- are pronounced:
- The /j/ is optional in the non-initial positions when they form a single group: о Евро́пе, о Япо́нии. Some people prefer to articulate /j/.
- Always WITH a /j/ in the non-initial positions after consonants: в Евро́пе, в Япо́нии.
- In the very initial position the /j/ is indeed optional but /j/ is common, especially in a slow, articulate speech. /j/ is less common in the middle of a sentence (even outside a group) and in the fast speech. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 04:40, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Atitarev Thanks. What you describe is essentially what we currently implement. BTW you're back! How was your trip to Japan? Benwing2 (talk) 04:51, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Benwing2: Yes, I'm back, thank you, it was a great trip :) --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 04:52, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Atitarev Thanks. What you describe is essentially what we currently implement. BTW you're back! How was your trip to Japan? Benwing2 (talk) 04:51, 15 February 2019 (UTC)