Talk:скрябать

@Atitarev Another verb found only in Dal which is surely obsolete even though it's labeled "colloquial". Is "scribble" correct, since it appears to be defined as equal to скрести "to scrape, to scratch"? Does it have a past passive participle? I would guess not since it's obsolete. Benwing2 (talk) 04:03, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

@Benwing2: I don't think it's obsolete but it doesn't sound very standard. It is colloquial but the expected "скря́банный" doesn't seem to be used. I think it may be also (alternatively) regional, influenced by or borrowed from Ukrainian скря́бати (skrjábaty) with the same meaning. I don't know why the word doesn't appear in dictionaries but you probably won't find смокта́ть (smoktátʹ) either, a perfectly standard word. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 04:21, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

@Benwing2: BTW, "скрябать" also means "to scribble (to write carelessly)" but "скрести" doesn't have this meaning. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 04:24, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

@Atitarev OK, thanks. Note that it only appears in two dictionaries, Dal's and Русские фамилии. In the latter it's specifically marked as "вышедший из употребления" = obsolete. It may still be dialectal or regional; we could label it "obsolete or dialectal" if you'd like. Benwing2 (talk) 04:26, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

@Benwing2: Yes, I saw that before your post, which made me wonder about the accuracy of some dictionaries in this case. The term is easily attestable in modern Russian literature. Not sure. (Notifying Benwing2, Cinemantique, KoreanQuoter, Useigor, Wanjuscha, Wikitiki89, Stephen G. Brown, Per utramque cavernam, Guldrelokk): : How should we label this? Anything can be added on etymology besides the Ukrainian cognate? --04:32, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

@Atitarev I would guess rather strongly that this word is cognate with скрести́ (skrestí) (root скреб-), probably coming from a nasal variant *skręb-. Unfortunately ESSJa only goes up through part of p, and doesn't include things starting with s, and the word isn't in Vasmer. Benwing2 (talk) 04:38, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

@Benwing2: It may be that the word is in fact, of a Ukrainian origin, and Russian linguists are shy to admit it. The Ukrainian may have inherited it from PIE. Only a theory. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 04:43, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, of course it is cognate/doublet with скрести́ (skrestí) but the etymology is different. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 05:07, 24 June 2018 (UTC)