Talk:щека

English Translit

WTF is ščeká? That's not English. The staf for staf translit in English would be shchyeka. Said more like shyika or sheeka.

щ = shch but often sounds like sh
е = ye but sometimes said like ye or ee
к = k
a = a

ё = yo and is stress'd
и = i ... short; thus щёки is said like shyoki with the stress on the yo.

--AnWulf ... Ferþu Hal! (talk) 11:37, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Although the pronunciation is IPA /ɕːɪ'ka/, the transliteration system that we use is ščeká. There are numerous transliteration systems for Russian, and щ=šč is favored by most of them. It’s the one we use here. Our transliteration for щёки is ščóki. The consonant щ cannot be softened or hardened by a following vowel or yers, and ё in that word is pronounced like о. See Wiktionary:Russian transliteration. —Stephen ^(Talk) 21:53, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

To be blunt, the wikt translit sucks. This is an English wiki and those are not English letters. In all the Russian classes I hav taken and in the few years that I work'd with Russian translit professionally ... it was NEVER written like that for English speakers. This is the English wikt. How do you justify noting non-English letters in a translit for English speakers?

Further, the ё is said with a y-glide and is long. 'Yo' shows that y-glide. Truthfully, it would be hard to say it without a y-glide in щёки so it likely wouldn't make a difference in the way to say it if you wrote 'yo' or 'o' as long as the English speaker knew that the 'o' was long ... There is no doubt that it is long with the yo. But if you doubt that there is a y-glide there, I can point you to where the phrase is said ... and I hear a y-glide when it is said.

It does make a difference if a person is working from the translit (which I did a lot of) and would hav to go look the word up in a Russian wordbook (this was in the days before Google Translate). However, for byspel, if I go to Google Translate and type in shchyoki (Russian to English) it translits it щёки and then translate it to cheeks. If I type in shchoki, it translits it to щоки ... which isn't even a word AFAIK. And if I put in ščeká ... it's worthless. It doesn't do anything. That shows why having translit in English insted of some gobblygook is meaningful.

--AnWulf ... Ferþu Hal! (talk) 17:28, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

The y-glide you're hearing is in your own mind. We discussed all the different transliteration systems years ago, and we discussed them for years before finally settling on the system that we have now. You're beating a dead horse. If you don't like it, you don't like it. Nobody likes everything. This is the system we use. The vast majority of us do not like your system and we will not be adopting it. I am finished with this discussion, I won't bother to read any further responses here. —Stephen ^(Talk) 19:16, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Well if you want to swap barbs, then my answer is that if you don't hear the y-glide then you're half deaf. However, that's somewhat irrelevant as a translit is not a pronunciation guide (tho it's good when it works out the same). But it is misleading to translit 'o' for 'ё'; they are not the same. Russian has an 'о'; it's another letter.

Anent the wikt way of translit, you're right ... I don't like it and will keep on ridiculing it for that it is worthy of ridicule. It smacks of academic snobbery. You're writing non-English letters in what should be a translit for English as if it were some kind of special code above that of the folk. Also, I'v shown you how having a good translit in English letters, rather than the gobblygook that wikt notes, makes a difference. However that seems meaningless to you. Feel free to get back to me when you come up with a justification, that makes sense, for putting non-English letters in a translit for English speakers.

--AnWulf ... Ferþu Hal! (talk) 12:39, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

This is the Wiktionary transliteration standard and we are not changing it, no matter what you hear or what Google Translate or other applications do. Sorry but you'll have to either accept our standards or leave Russian entries alone. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 13:03, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

I find this comment bizarre. AnWulf, you edit Old English which also uses non-English letters. Yes turning transliteration into pronunciation misses the whole point, as we might as well then not given transliterations at all. Transliterations aren't English so why would you expect them to use English letters? Do you object to Arabic being written in Arabic script because Arabic isn't English? If anything, you make it sound like Russian is doing something wrong because it's not English. No Russian isn't English, do we need to discuss that? Mglovesfun (talk) 13:11, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

can someone verify the accent-d forms?

@Atitarev, Wikitiki89, Cinemantique, Wanjuscha Zaliznyak lists f' and f. Ruwiki lists only f'. Do the accent-d forms really exist? And is the distribution of forms labeled "obsolete" and "colloquial" correct? Benwing2 (talk) 02:59, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

pronunciation

The sound does not correspond to the ipa: PA(key): [ɕːɪˈka] Audio .2A02:8108:9640:AC3:BC58:8570:E55D:84E 08:39, 9 March 2022 (UTC)