Talk:أن

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Special:Contributions/Nemzag

Note WT:RFV#Special:Contributions/Nemzag. I have gone through all of Nemzag's mainspace edits; most have been verified or corrected by other knowledgeable editors. A minority had never been edited by other editors, or had been edited but still seemed to me to have problems. In about half of those cases, I was able to verify or correct the information myself. Here, I list all of the words I could not verify myself. I'd prefer the input of knowledgeable editors to actual citations (but conferred with other editors and decided RFV was the best venue). — Beobach 01:03, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

أن

— Beobach 01:03, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

I have removed the noun as RFV-failed. - -sche (discuss) 17:51, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

أَنَّنِي

Hi, shouldn't it be أني? Thanks in advance. --Backinstadiums (talk) 14:42, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

@Backinstadiums: No. أَنْ (ʔan) and أَنَّ (ʔanna) are different, and only أَنَّ (ʔanna) can have a pronominal clitic added to it. — Eru·tuon 22:14, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

In addition to بَعْدَ ‎(baʿda) above, أَنْ ‎(ʾan) may be used with the preposition قَبْلَ ‎

Hi, does this statement mean that عبل أن may also be followed by the past instead of the subjunctive? Thanks in advance. --Backinstadiums (talk) 21:45, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

@Backinstadiums: Quite a late reply on my part, but yes, your guess was correct. However, the usage note on this page was erroneous in suggesting that this is anything unique to قبل and بعد -- it also applies to any other ظَرْف زَمَان (ẓarf zamān), like مُنْذُ (munḏu), or even "phrasal" ones like بِمُجَرَّد (bimujarrad). (That is, both of these latter two terms can take أَنْ (ʔan) followed by either the past or the subjunctive.) M. I. Wright (talk) 02:58, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

قَبْلَ أَنْ يُقَرِّرَ‎ before he decides; before he decided

Hi, shouldn't it only mean 'before he decides', using the past for 'before he decided'? Thanks in advance. --Backinstadiums (talk) 10:04, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

@Backinstadiums: No; the past tense cannot be used after the conjunction أَنْ (ʔan) because the conjunction requires the subjunctive. My guess is that the English translation of a clause introduced by the conjunction depends on the tense of the main verb. For instance, see this example from Arabic: an Essential Grammar (p. 211):

• مَرِضَ قَبْلَ أَنْ يُسَافِرَ

  mariḍa qabla ʔan yusāfira

  He became sick before he traveled.

Here the main verb مَرِضَ (mariḍa) is in the perfect, so the English translation of the subjunctive يُسَافِرَ (yusāfira) is in the past tense. I am guessing that would be the rule to determine the translation: if the main verb in the Arabic is perfect, the English translation of the verb in the subjunctive clause would be past-tense. I'm speculating, though, and there might be exceptions. — Eru·tuon 00:23, 10 March 2017 (UTC)