Talk:細孥囝

@Justinrleung: Hi. The term 細孥囝／细孥囝 has been used for ever but my only source for the full word is Wiktionary. Is it and SoP? Can the reading be verified? I thought I'd fill that red link. Feel free to delete if it's wrong or unverifiable. Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 04:06, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

@Atitarev: Where did you get this word from? RcAlex36 (talk) 05:17, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

@RcAlex36: From Wiktionary: at baby#Translations. Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 05:25, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

FWIW: https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=baby&diff=prev&oldid=1946509 —Fish bowl (talk) 05:51, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

@Atitarev: I will send this to rfv then. (I'm not sure I trust the IP.) When you're not sure, it's probably best to not create the entry even if there's a red link. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 04:47, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

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細孥囝

Chinese. From baby#translations, but not sure if this is verifiable. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 04:48, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Teochew. I created the entry. It's made of 細／细 (soi3, “little”) and 孥囝 (nou1 gian2, “child”). We have both entries as Teochew components. So, it's literally "little child". It was first added as a translation, simply in "soi3 nou5gian2" in w:Peng'im transliteration in diff by an IP, then converted to use Chinese characters in diff by User:Fish bowl. If the entry is unverified and deleted, shall we delete the translation as well or split the Teochew translation into its SoP parts, like this: 細孥囝／细孥囝 (soi³ nou⁵ gian²) or delete entirely? Google shows hits but they are not very meaningful. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 00:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Orthodox/Original form of 細路仔 (sai³ lou⁶ zai²) in Cantonese. 路 (lou⁶) 孥 (nou⁴) are close in pronunciation. -- Ywhy (talk) 04:08, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

This would be unattested in Cantonese AFAIK, so the claim that it's "orthodox/original" probably doesn't hold water. Also connecting 孥 to tdoesn't seem to explain why it's l- in Cantonese (according to conservative sources) or tone 6. Moreover, 囝 is not "etymological" for zai2 in Cantonese (only seems to be used for zai2 when it's in 囝囝 zai4 zai2). — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 02:10, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

2016, 張盛裕, 潮陽方言研究‎^[1], →OCLC, page 32:

雙生囝：孿生子
鑽囝：錐子
販囝：小販
鼎囝：小欽鍋
孥囝：小孩兒。也叫細孥囝
斧頭囝：小斧子
衰家囝：指無能而使家境敗落的子弟，也叫衰家丁或慘囝
金菊囝：一種菊花，花朵較小，呈金黃色
巷頭鋪囝：巷口兒的小商店

(please add an English translation of this quotation)

FYI. -- Ywhy (talk) 07:16, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, 潮陽方言研究 should be enough for verification, but just for Chaoyang dialect. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 18:00, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

• RFV passed. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 05:54, 2 January 2024 (UTC)