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Latest comment: 9 months ago by Soap in topic Music
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This appears in music sometimes. I'm pretty sure it can be decomposed into : and |, but we dont have anything listed under the pipe character either. —Soap— 10:38, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Soap Could you give an example? Theknightwho (talk) 11:20, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, I dont have anything close at hand. It just popped into my head as I browsed a different page. I think it's used in Christian hymns, but probably not just confined to hymns ... the colon part is probably the repeat sign, but appears in the text, not the staff. Again, I suspect this is a composite of two punctuation marks, ... if the first is the repeat sign, I still don't know what the vertical bar part is. We might end up not listing this here if it's just two things put together, but I still think we should list the parts individually. —Soap— 11:28, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Soap Are you thinking of psalms? The colon is used to separate the two halves, and the line is used to denote a change of note in the chant. Theknightwho (talk) 11:30, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- sorry for the triple post, but i think these are unitary symbols now, representing 𝄆 and 𝄇 respectively, according to w:repeat sign. I've seen this in hymn books, and some hymns are derived from psalms, but I'm pretty sure I'm not confusing the hymn books with the Bible itself, and that this isn't just a religious use. I admit I cant read music and that that, along with the fact that the Unicode symbols dont appear on my PC, led me to make this more confusing than it could have been. But I think it should be fairly straightforward to add these senses to our :| and |: pages now since they are the plaintext representations of unitary music symbols. Let me know if you think Im still missing something. Thanks, —Soap— 11:41, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Soap Oh of course! I don't think it would make much sense to be honest - you only get repeat signs before a double barline (which means the end of the piece or section), or after one (which means the start of the section that's to be repeated). It's quite difficult to make out (given their size), but you can see that both of the unitary symbols have double barlines in them, as well as the repeat sign. Theknightwho (talk) 12:09, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- are you saying i shouldnt add this, then? I am going based on the writeup at w:Repeat_sign#Other_notation. You seem to know a lot more about music than I do, so I trust you, though again, I'm pretty sure I've seen the symbols I'm talking about in the text below the staff ... even though this was quite a long time ago, I've always "seen faces" in them and that's why I remembered it all this time. —Soap— 12:13, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Soap I'm a bit rusty, but I'm a bit sceptical of the first line of that section to be honest. I could certainly see it being used in the verses in a hymnal or something, but I think that would make it the corresponding textual equivalent as opposed to a mere alternative form, if that makes sense? It's certainly not a form that would ever appear in the musical staves themselves. Theknightwho (talk) 12:56, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- OK thanks. I will hold off for now, but I will come back if I can show printed hymnals (or any other music) with the symbols I want in a context such that it could not possibly be anything else. —Soap— 13:05, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Soap I'm a bit rusty, but I'm a bit sceptical of the first line of that section to be honest. I could certainly see it being used in the verses in a hymnal or something, but I think that would make it the corresponding textual equivalent as opposed to a mere alternative form, if that makes sense? It's certainly not a form that would ever appear in the musical staves themselves. Theknightwho (talk) 12:56, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- are you saying i shouldnt add this, then? I am going based on the writeup at w:Repeat_sign#Other_notation. You seem to know a lot more about music than I do, so I trust you, though again, I'm pretty sure I've seen the symbols I'm talking about in the text below the staff ... even though this was quite a long time ago, I've always "seen faces" in them and that's why I remembered it all this time. —Soap— 12:13, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Soap Oh of course! I don't think it would make much sense to be honest - you only get repeat signs before a double barline (which means the end of the piece or section), or after one (which means the start of the section that's to be repeated). It's quite difficult to make out (given their size), but you can see that both of the unitary symbols have double barlines in them, as well as the repeat sign. Theknightwho (talk) 12:09, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- sorry for the triple post, but i think these are unitary symbols now, representing 𝄆 and 𝄇 respectively, according to w:repeat sign. I've seen this in hymn books, and some hymns are derived from psalms, but I'm pretty sure I'm not confusing the hymn books with the Bible itself, and that this isn't just a religious use. I admit I cant read music and that that, along with the fact that the Unicode symbols dont appear on my PC, led me to make this more confusing than it could have been. But I think it should be fairly straightforward to add these senses to our :| and |: pages now since they are the plaintext representations of unitary music symbols. Let me know if you think Im still missing something. Thanks, —Soap— 11:41, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Soap Are you thinking of psalms? The colon is used to separate the two halves, and the line is used to denote a change of note in the chant. Theknightwho (talk) 11:30, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- Actually, now that I see it, the repeat sign Wikipedia article does treat |: and :| as units, though Im not sure what the vertical bars represent. It might be just a way to line the text up with the staff where the notes are. —Soap— 11:30, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, I dont have anything close at hand. It just popped into my head as I browsed a different page. I think it's used in Christian hymns, but probably not just confined to hymns ... the colon part is probably the repeat sign, but appears in the text, not the staff. Again, I suspect this is a composite of two punctuation marks, ... if the first is the repeat sign, I still don't know what the vertical bar part is. We might end up not listing this here if it's just two things put together, but I still think we should list the parts individually. —Soap— 11:28, 15 August 2023 (UTC)