Talk:asal

Roasting in Tagalog "asal"

@Ysrael214 Can I ask where you got the idea of adding "asal" meaning "roasting" into the Tagalog entry? Because as far as I know, it's a Hiligaynon word, the word "asal" in "Mang Inasal"? That it's only in Hiligaynon that the word "asal" means "roasting". Not in Tagalog. Mar vin kaiser (talk) 15:13, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser

1. Zorc said it's dialectal. [1]

2. It's in the UP Diksiyonaryong Filipino, I think it should also be here.

https://diksiyonaryo.ph/search/asal Ysrael214 (talk) 15:22, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@Ysrael214: Interesting...thanks for the reply! I'll look into this. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 15:25, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@Ysrael214: After looking at other sources, I'm doubting the existence of the word "asal" in Tagalog, at least standard Tagalog. My observations are:

1. The word "asal" is found in no Tagalog dictionary from the 18th-19th century ones and from the 20th century.
2. So far, the only mention of the word "asal" in Tagalog I have seen is the notes of Zorc indicating its dialectal use (maybe somewhere close to the Visayan or Bicol region since that's where the word is definitely used).
3. The word appears in the 21st century UP Diksiyonaryong Filipino (and its online twin, Diksiyonaryo.ph), but it might just be there because UP Diksiyonaryong Filipino likes to include any word found in the archipelago from various Philippine languages, and it even includes "inasal" popularized from Bacolod (speaking Hiligaynon).

Therefore, it seems like, before the 21st century, the word "asal" only existed in Tagalog as a dialectal term (I'm guessing somewhere near Visayas or Bicol), and in the 21st century, due to the popularity of "inasal" from Bacolod, the word "inasal" has entered Tagalog, but the editors of UP Diksiyonaryong Filipino chose to include "asal" too. To be honest, I've never seen the word "asal" used in Tagalog in any scenario aside from the Bacolod food "inasal". So there's no reason to think that "asal" is a legit Tagalog word aside from its dialectal usage. What do you think? --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 13:17, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser I'm okay with not including it like tinola only tinola being the Tagalog term.

However, because of Panganiban's entry (they probably have some reason to include it as well) and for the argument of Tagalog = Filipino being some mix of Philippine language, maybe include it but we can say (as some sort of disclaimer) that it's possibly not a native word and possibly borrowed from another Philippine language like Hiligaynon. I guess same thing with etymologies that we let the users of Wiktionary decide if it is a Tagalog word.

add (uncommon, possibly dialectal)

I also haven't seen asal used as someone living near the capital but there are a lot of dialects of Tagalog, not just Batangas and NCR.

then on the usage notes: ihaw is more used in Tagalog. Ysrael214 (talk) 21:39, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Farsi

In farsi asal it's a noun and means honey and it's also a female name Asal.albp005 (talk) 05:29, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

See Persian عسل ('asal). Chuck Entz (talk) 08:53, 5 January 2023 (UTC)