Talk:asum

kiši readings

@Sartma: This reading is from ePSD where they exclusively cite lexical lists. This seems a minor variant of the frequent pictographic (looks like a myrtle twig) 𒋆𒄈 (ŠIM.GIR₂ /⁠asu⁠/) though, although it is notable that they have it with the determiner 𒄑 (GIŠ) too. What the difference between the sign Nr. 6 GIR₂ and Nr. 7 kiši₁₇ = GIR₂gunû would be is esoteric to me, at least in my font and the Mesopotamian Zeichenlexikon they look identical (why two numbers and encodings?). What the value of prefixing to this Nr. 7 the well-known Nr. 490 U₂ 𒌑 to posit kiši₁₆ is also questionable, as this here clearly stands for the fact that it is a plant, probably some rare question otherwise.

So if it is in the Mesopotamian Zeichenlexikon under Lautwerte then somewhere this is read phonetically but hardly here; ePSD should unify that entry with the usual myrtle entry. Fay Freak (talk) 11:14, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

@Fay Freak But ePSD is a Sumerian dictionary. The reading /kiši/ is Sumerian, not Akkadian. As for the signs, my understanding is that 𒄈 (GIR₂) originally represents a "dagger", while 𒄉 (KIŠI₁₇) is a "thorny plant". I don't think they can unify the entries because apparently one is read /kiši/ the other /az/, so they are not the same word. Sartma (talk) 11:34, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

@Fay Freak As for the font, when it comes to Sumerian/Cuneiform sign entries/Logograms, I'd suggest you use SantakkuM. That should be the one with the glyphs that most resemble the original signs. Everything that comes afterwards (Old Babylonian cursive, Neo-Assyrian, etc) are often simplified to the point where two originally different Sumerian cuneiform signs have become identical. Sartma (talk) 12:00, 6 December 2021 (UTC)