Talk:chai tea

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SOP. Jamesjiao → ^{T ◊ C} 21:35, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Keep. Not really SOP, but just a redundancy in common usage for the chai beverage. "chai" means "tea" so this is basically saying "tea tea". Note that the redundancy is always said in that order, no one says "tea chai". Boxieman (talk) 21:47, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

People say "a blue colour" and not "colour blue a", but that is no justification for a blue colour as entry. Equinox ◑ 22:07, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Saying "colour blue a" violates the rules of English grammar, tea chai doesn't however, as both tea and chai are nouns which mean the same thing, "tea". It's just not said. It's always said with "chai" first. Boxieman (talk) 05:43, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Delete - obvious SoP. SemperBlotto (talk) 21:58, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Delete, tea is just a qualifier for people who don't know what chai means. Not different to Alsatian dog for those who don't know what an Alsatian is. Mglovesfun (talk) 22:19, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Changed my mind. Striking my delete. Mglovesfun (talk) 23:30, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Keep. We have "PIN number" and "null and void." This is an extremely common way to refer to "chai" in the US. --BB12 (talk) 23:04, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Also, "tea" is not just a qualifier for people who don't know what "chai" means. It is the way many people refer to "chai" whether or not they know. --BB12 (talk) 23:06, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Keep. So is in Australia (very common). --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 23:30, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

I am not disputing its usage. There is no doubt this type of pleonasm is useful in practical speech, but it doesn't warrant its inclusion in a dictionary. Are we going to start including all pleonasms similar to this from now on? Where do we draw the line? Maybe there needs to be a new rule? Other pleonasms I can find on Wiktionary include tuna fish and head honcho. Jamesjiao → ^{T ◊ C} 00:56, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

The line is not always easy to draw, that's why we are here. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 01:40, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Keep. It’s common even though it’s redundant. For those who use this word rather than just chai, the modifier chai has no clear meaning and chai tea is not a sum of parts. — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 05:34, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Some other words for reference: white tea, black tea, green tea and most notable, oolong tea. In English, chai does not mean tea, it means a specific type of tea; as with oolong, adding "tea" does not change the meaning. --BB12 (talk) 06:39, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I think many people interpret this as if chai is a name of some kind, and they probably do the same with oolong tea too. So I'm leaning towards keep. —CodeCat 14:15, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Keep per BB12, Shinji, CodeCat. DAVilla 23:20, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Kept. — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 03:51, 6 January 2013 (UTC)