Talk:fade-away
Latest comment: 3 years ago by Kiwima in topic RFV discussion: September–December 2020
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"(art, slang) A technique of painting young women, by having their clothes fade into the background." The linked painting uses the term in its title (perhaps as adjective rather than noun) but is this a generic term, or only used for the one painting? Equinox ◑ 18:03, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
- It's a style associated with Coles Phillips, also spelled "fade away" or "fadeaway". I added a use. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 18:16, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
- I don't see any evidence that the hyphenated form is anything other than the spaced form used attributively. Chuck Entz (talk) 18:55, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
- I did a 1910-1935 or so newspapers search for "fade away girl", and a hyphen was between the two words six out of six times. But, nowadays, common practice seems to be w/o the hyphen or even space. JimPercy (talk) 20:25, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
- When a phrase is used in front of a noun in order to modify it, the standard spelling (with some exceptions) substitutes hyphens for some or all of the spaces. Thus "fade-away girls" is precisely what would be expected from the phrase "fade away". That doesn't mean that the term isn't worthy of an entry, just that it should be at "fade away" rather than "fade-away". If it's only used attributively, that complicates things: you would want to see constructions like "the technique goes by the name of 'fade away'" to confirm that it's really a spaced phrase. Chuck Entz (talk) 21:47, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
- Okay, I note my error. I inserted the word "girl" to see the wording "fade away" pop up in an artistic content, yet, in doing so it changed the grammar. So, maybe there is no hyphen in the word. "The Cario (Illinois) Bulletin", Nov. 29, 1913 p. 4. Excerpt: "Don't Miss "Miss Fade-Away." ... "a Coles Phillips "Fade-away" girl in colors." Source: LOC web site. This ad appeared in several different newspapers within a few day period. This wording "Miss Fade-Away" (with ending period) backs up the hyphen, but going by just one example doesn't say much. I'm a WP not Wikt person, so makes sense just moving "fade-away to fade away." JimPercy (talk) 23:14, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
- When a phrase is used in front of a noun in order to modify it, the standard spelling (with some exceptions) substitutes hyphens for some or all of the spaces. Thus "fade-away girls" is precisely what would be expected from the phrase "fade away". That doesn't mean that the term isn't worthy of an entry, just that it should be at "fade away" rather than "fade-away". If it's only used attributively, that complicates things: you would want to see constructions like "the technique goes by the name of 'fade away'" to confirm that it's really a spaced phrase. Chuck Entz (talk) 21:47, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
RFV-resolved. Moved to "fade away". Kiwima (talk) 00:10, 29 December 2020 (UTC)