Talk:farfara

'inherited'

Hi @Fay Freak,

By adding the gloss 'farfara id est ungula gaballina', I think you may have undermined your case for inheritance. That farfara needed to be translated ca. 900–1100 as unghia cavallina* suggests that it had died out in the Italian vernacular, as apparently everywhere else in 'Romània'. In Old Italian it is attested a bit late and very sparsely. Compare the earlier and far more numerous attestations for the inherited flower-names like camomilla, giglio, papavero (just the first examples I could think of).

* Still attested as a name for the plant in question, alongside unghia di cavallo.

- Nicodene (talk) 01:41, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

@Nicodene: I remember that it wasn’t my judgment and I have not particularly researched it. Apparently it was from Nikolaev’s “descendants of the Latin word are still preserved in the dialects of Toscana and Emilia Romana”. In Wiktionary language descendants are also borrowings but normally it is not said and never with such region labels and “preserved” if not meaning inheritance.

If inherited then it would of course not be retained in all Italian vernaculars, particularly as you know that Italy has the most diversity within Romance. It could be that it died at the place of provenience of the cited codex, or the writer did not know it, but it was retained in some places, like the descendant of unedō in one municipality at the west-coast of the Romance language area.

Though what you provide is probably better – it was sloppiness if only deriving this claim from Meyer-Lübke 1911. Fay Freak (talk) 02:37, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough. Nicodene (talk) 12:22, 13 February 2024 (UTC)