Talk:go deep

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go deep

"To be a remarkable characteristic of a person or thing. Our students' sense of pride in the school goes very deep." That is not at all my understanding of what go deep means. If the school is a fine, noble institution then there is nothing remarkable about the students being proud of it. The "depth" refers to how much they like it: it's something like saying their pride is genuine and ingrained — not shallow or superficial — i.e. just what deep normally means. (Note run deep may also need attention since it just links to this entry.) Equinox ◑ 21:28, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Delete per nom. DCDuring (talk) 02:10, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Delete; the def is wrong and it's just go + deep, per nom. Negative characteristics can also "go deep", like "racism at the school goes deep", google books:"racism goes deep", etc. - -sche (discuss) 19:13, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Comment. Which of our senses of go covers this? What other phrases of the form "go + adj." use "go" in the same way? Mihia (talk) 19:55, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

go unnoticed, go unreported? I can't think of any examples that aren't of the form go un- + past participle. —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:40, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Is that really the same sense? To me, "go" in "go unnoticed/unreported" means something like "pass" (approximately), while in "go deep" it is more like "penetrate" (approximately). Mihia (talk) 21:36, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

I suppose it is, or is something akin to, the "extend" sense (which has a quote "I don't know that this knowledge goes very deep for them", among others). On Google Books, I also see e.g. "goes down to the bone" ("beauty is skin-deep, but ugly goes down to the bone", "if you hate him, that kind of hatred goes down to the bone", "a sadness that [...] goes down to the bone", "your slick[ness] goes down to the bone", "this story goes deep, goes down to the bone"). I'm trying to think of other synonyms... - -sche (discuss) 16:50, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

This makes me think of go back a long way. PUC – 12:54, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Delete. Fay Freak (talk) 12:55, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

• Keep. Sort out the definitions carefully and add examples. Add run deep as a synonym. -- Dentonius (my politics | talk) 16:22, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Delete. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 06:13, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

• Keep. The definition certainly needs rephrasing, but I can find it in several dictionaries (Cambridge, Collins, Macmillan) as a synonym of run deep (WT:LEMMING). Also, I don't think it is adequately covered by any of the more general senses of go so its meaning might not be transparent to language learners. – Einstein2 (talk) 21:45, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

  Keep as a lemming. DAVilla 19:36, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

• Delete (correcting my previous entry), context dependent. We don't have deep roots, but we do have deep-rooted. Facts707 (talk) 02:06, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
• Rewrite. There's an idiomatic meaning here, but as others have noted, the current definition is way off. You can talk about a tree having roots that "go deep", meaning that they extend far underground. So something like "racism at the school {runs,goes} deep" is a figurative extension of that. It's saying there's a great deal of racism, and it extends further than one might readily perceive (for various possible conceptions of "further"). I do see an argument for it being SoP with the "extend" sense of go referred to above by -sche, but I think it's a fairly non-obvious turn of phrase, and the figurative use is sufficiently conventionalized (as opposed to, say, "go down to the bone") that it's worth an entry. Colin M (talk) 23:39, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
• Delete. The 14th sense of go "To extend (from one point in time or space to another)" and its usage example and quotations match up pretty clearly. That and the group uses that -sche refers to point to a non-idiomatic phrase. I think run deep needs to be considered separately and updated if/when this entry is deleted. —The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 06:28, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

There's no time or space denoted so it's not quite that, perhaps even the opposite. Like, a function s(t) can go all the way to eleven, but s': v(t) may be level over most of the course. At best, the expanse is connotated, but termination or beginning are not denoted. The metaphor has to be from shipping, a loaded ship goes deep, so it needs to move carefully or it risks running aground. Can anyone confirm that? If the metaphor is dead, ie. understood in sum of parts, it might not need the idiomatic entry, not sure. ApisAzuli (talk) 18:36, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Delete —Svārtava ^{[t•c•u•r]} 07:49, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

• Sense deleted —Svārtava ^{[t•c•u•r]} 07:49, 8 December 2021 (UTC)