Talk:harnic

Presumably it's from *харьнъ (*xarĭnŭ) (with the suffix -ic typical for the borrowing of Slavonic adjectives), from харь (xarĭ) + -ьнъ (-ĭnŭ), itself being borrowed from χάρις (kháris) and used initially in a religious context. I can't find харь in OCS dictionaries, but it might be a later borrowing into Church Slavonic. Bogdan (talk) 11:24, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

• @Fay Freak: There is an adjective ха́рен (háren, “good, likeable, favorable (for things); deft, adept, fine (for people)”) (арен (aren, “good”)) of Greek origin in modern Bulgarian (Macedonian). No idea, though, when it was borrowed or if it has a corresponding agent noun **харник (**harnik)? RBE and Gerov's dicitionaries don't return results for such a noun, so probably no. Despite that, the Romanian etymon does look like a Slavism. A deadjectival agentative suffix *-ьnikъ is well-attested in all Slavic languages. Безименен (talk) 10:45, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

-ic is a typical suffix added in Romanian adjectives borrowed from Slavonic ending in -ьnъ. For example, trebnic < trĕbьnъ, volnic < volьnъ, silnic < silьnъ. As such, both харен and harnic seem to indicate the existence of a *харьнъ. Bogdan (talk) 11:22, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

The -ic is a Romanian suffix then, to be clear, unless this suffix has been borrowed later from Latin (but the diminutive meaning of -ic at least, though it form nouns, should be inherited, and fits well: there has been conversion from a noun then perhaps). I just did not want to believe that *-ьnikъ formed an adjective or was used here at all, nor that the word existed in Proto-Slavic already. Both claims that Old Church Slavonic **харьникъ (**xarĭnikŭ) and that Proto-Slavic **xarьnъ existed are findable in DEXonline, both were so inexact that they were unbelievable. Owing to the Macedonian and Bulgarian being colloquial we can well believe that there is an unattested, probably also regional Old or Middle Bulgarian term this derives from. Fay Freak (talk) 12:54, 1 June 2021 (UTC)