Talk:hjirneimels

@Rua The WFT has this as a derivative of miel. [1] ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 10:34, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, but then why is it showing up as mel instead? If it was calqued, there would have been something existing in Frisian to work with. —Rua (mew) 10:45, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

@Rua It's deffo not anything I'm sure about, but vowel reduction due to not being stressed could be an explanation to investigate if you're interested in it. At the least the WFT have other entries with -mels, so it could alternatively be a suffix. Or would you rather have it as a nativised borrowing? ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 11:09, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Well, like I said, if it's a calque, then it was made out of native elements based on an example in another language. I suppose they looked to other words with this -mels element, but I think it goes too far to say that -mels is actually a suffix in Frisian. It only appears on a few words, where it indeed results from vowel reduction, but that's not a productive process in modern Frisian. —Rua (mew) 11:34, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

@Rua So then From {{af|fy|hjirnei|miel|-s}} with reduction of the final vowel, {{calque|fy|nl|hiernamaals|nocap=1}} should be fine, right? ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 08:05, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

I may have found more clues. This entry on WFT says that neimels is an alternative form of neimiels, and even gives the combination hjir neimels, with citation, as an example use. That seems much more likely to be the source than anything we've come up with. —Rua (mew) 14:42, 15 April 2019 (UTC)