Talk:insulo

RFV discussion: August 2021–January 2023

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insulo

Latin: “I make into an island”. Tagged by 2003:DE:3720:3768:391A:E7C1:E458:1606 on 25 August, not listed: “

• "Usage notes: This verb, other than the perfect passive participle īnsulātus, is not attested."
• īnsulātus: "Etymology: From īnsula +‎ -ātus" & "Adjective"”

J3133 (talk) 11:42, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Well, insulavimus 'we insulated', was used by Galvani. --RichardW57 (talk) 09:51, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Keep:I've now added three independent quotations, all using the same metaphor to mean 'electrically insulate'. --RichardW57 (talk) 12:24, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Then the usage notes are wrong, right? --2003:DE:3720:3733:F84C:4C4E:8FDB:64C9 07:32, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes, but I don't know what the correction is. Are the finite forms restricted to Modern Latin or whatever? --RichardW57 (talk) 19:14, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

@Kc kennylau: Where did you get the statement on restricted usage from? --RichardW57m (talk) 11:07, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@RichardW57m: Searching "#insulo", "#insulab", "#insulav", and "#insulat" on https://latin.packhum.org/search all give no results. --kc_kennylau (talk) 12:13, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@Kc kennylau Thanks, I've changed the comment to say they don't occur in Classical Latin. I'll let someone else work on Late Latin. I've managed to push the inflected verb as far back as 17th century French (isoler). I'm not sure whether to tentatively change the etymology to being a calque on French - such would merit the 'Original Research' scare tag that's been proposed. --RichardW57m (talk) 12:41, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

RFV-passed as New Latin "insulate", failed otherwise. If īnsulātus is treated as an adjective and a main lemma, as it is at the moment following the references, then it can't attest īnsulō. The FEW's discussion of the verb in Romance indicates that the current verb was first formed in Italian, then re-formed in French from the past participle, then underwent some semantic drift, and finally the New Latin usage was presumably re-borrowed (via French as far as I can tell). —Al-Muqanna المقنع (talk) 01:48, 14 January 2023 (UTC)