Talk:nước mắm

Mắm

Does mắm mean "preserved" or "salted fish"? 24.29.234.185 21:51, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Salted fish, apparently. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 09:26, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

RFV discussion: August 2014–July 2015

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nước mắm

Supposedly English. Needs cites in this orthography. DCDuring TALK 10:08, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

It's easy finding English sentences using this spelling, but much harder deciding whether the term is being used as English or as Vietnamese. I'll see if I can come up with some good examples. Chuck Entz (talk) 04:19, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

I view this as a kind of test case. I won't challenge other terms with similar orthography if this turns out to be attestable. If it is attestable, we should create the category of which it is currently the sole member. DCDuring TALK 15:41, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Would Hà Nội or Việt Nam (with Vietnamese diacritics) be attestable as English terms? In any case, we have examples of Romanian, Turkish, etc., etc, spellings used in English, Japanese macrons, e.g. Tōkyō are also common. It's hard to verify, though. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 00:57, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Two tests I’ve seen people using to determine whether the author considers the term a loanword instead of a foreign word are:

1. the term is unitalicised;
2. the inflected forms of the term use English desinences.

Number 2 is inapplicable in this case, since nước mắm is uncountable. As for unitalicised uses, I’ve only found this one. — Ungoliant ^(falai) 01:22, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Actually, "nuoc mam" (without the diacritics) does get a very small number of English hits, so "nước mắms" could possibly exist, if the singular also existed. However, there seems to be no evidence that the singular does exist. RFV-failed. - -sche (discuss) 01:27, 15 July 2015 (UTC)