Talk:no-smoking

RFD discussion: April 2020–January 2021

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no-smoking

Seems SOP as "no" (sense 3) + "smoking." And by adding a hyphen, any such "no-[X]" construction can become an adjective — e.g. "no-soliciting sign," "no-food-or-drink zone," etc. Imetsia (talk) 13:26, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

• Is there any reason why you targeted this one, and not no smoking, non-smoking and nonsmoking? DonnanZ (talk) 23:33, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Not really; I didn't realize these were even entries, although they do sound equally as SOP. Imetsia (talk) 23:57, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Delete this. @Donnanz:: non(-)smoking is not the same because it actually means "not smoking", e.g. a nonsmoking adult, whereas a "no-smoking sign" is named after the words on it, more like a "turn-left sign" etc. Equinox ◑ 02:02, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

@Equinox: Yes, I knew that. But I didn't realise this one is a new entry. DonnanZ (talk) 09:17, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm inclined to keep this, as I regard it as the correct form for no smoking as an attributive adjective, although many people wouldn't bother inserting a hyphen. And there are no-smoking signs every-bloody-where these days... DonnanZ (talk) 09:48, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

But isn't the consensus that we don't keep "attributive form" versions of words? (We even had a vote on it). In any event, the more basic question is whether no smoking should even be kept in the first place, since the SOP rationale provided in the request for deletion seems to apply just the same. Imetsia (talk) 14:52, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

By sense 3 of no, “Not any possibility or allowance of (doing something)”, no smoking is definitely SOP. No fighting, no drinking, no spitting, no gambling, no playing outside, no pleading your way out of it, no crying for mama.  --Lambiam 06:20, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Delete as SOP, IMO. ("No smoking" can at least be, and has been, argued to be a useful phrasebook entry.) - -sche (discuss) 06:51, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Delete. PUC – 20:07, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Delete as per the recent hyphenated attributive compounds vote. Khemehekis (talk) 03:37, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Delete. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 13:08, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Delete given the consensus that we do not include hyphenated attributive adjectives of this sort. — SGconlaw (talk) 12:45, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Delete. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 14:52, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

• RFD-deleted. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 23:27, 1 January 2021 (UTC)