Talk:obligate

RFD discussion: August–September 2017

See Talk:facultative#RFD discussion: August–September 2017.

adjetive: morally or legally bound; obliged; constrained.

adjetive: morally or legally bound; obliged; constrained. --Backinstadiums (talk) 15:19, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

RFV discussion: September 2022–February 2023

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obligate

Rfv-sense: Absolutely necessary, indispensable. Ƿidsiþ 13:49, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

It sounds like a role-reversed version of the 1st definition. It's easy to find obligate food source in running texts on biology, for example. I'm pretty sure I've seen it used that way before and that that's why I didn't even question it at first. Whether it has use outside biology, I dont know. —Soap— 14:57, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

I have added three cites for the challenged second definition applying to that which something such as an organism needs. Words in the first definition included the second definition, IMO. I have commented out those words. The first definition applies to the organism or other entity that needs something, not what is needed. This accords with Soap's comment. The current definitions are in line with definitions in other dictionaries. Most use seems to be in ecology, taxonomy, and bioenergetics, but usage may bleed into other fields. I find it hard to tell which of the two senses is intended, especially outside the main fields of use. DCDuring (talk) 16:55, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks both. I actually think these two senses should be rolled together, in that case; I don't see an obvious difference, especially now someone has removed "obligatory, necessary" from the first definition. Ƿidsiþ 06:35, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

The synonyms for the two definitions are not the same, at least not in the synonyms' most common senses. It often matters whether a term is applied to an agent or to a patient. DCDuring (talk) 12:30, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

RFV Passed Ioaxxere (talk) 22:41, 9 February 2023 (UTC)