Talk:ogni
DiPI entry[edit]
@Benwing2 How is one to read this? The ⟨-*⟩ suggests a variant pronunciation with syntactic doubling, for instance, doesn't it? Nicodene (talk) 07:34, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- And that doubling is observed in Ognissanti. Nicodene (talk) 21:06, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Nicodene The guide to symbols is on the front page, see [1]. It reads:
pronuncia moderna: (la prima indicata) la piú consigliabile tradizionale: (indicata dopo « . ») la piú consigliata un tempo accettàbile: (indicata dopo « , ») abbastanza consigliabile tollerata: (indicata dopo « ; ») meno consigliabile trascurata: (preceduta da « ↓ ») da evitare intenzionale: (preceduta da « ↑ ») per fare sfoggio àulica: (preceduta da « ↕ ») per scopi particolari
In other words, pronunciations preceded by a semicolon are "less advisable". In practice they indicate occasional, nonstandard and/or dialectal pronunciations. You rarely find them in any standard dictionary. For these reasons, I have purposely omitted them. Sometimes DiPI indicates the source of the nonstandard pronunciations, as here: [TUMLR o/ɔ, TU°, M°/*, L*, R*/°] Here, T = Tuscan dialectal, U = Umbrian dialectal, M = Marche dialectal, L = Lazio dialectal (outside of Rome), R = Roman dialectal. As for Ognissanti, this is explained here: [2], which explains (at the bottom) that this is a Latinism based on omnēs sānctī. This also explains why "santi" is plural (normally ogni is followed by the singular). Benwing2 (talk) 01:23, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Benwing2 Thanks for the explanation; I'll keep that in mind for future edits. I do not see why Ognissanti would not reflect syntactic doubling, which is attested for ogni 'in much of the centre and south' of Italy' (perhaps once Tuscany as well?), considering also that plurals like 'ogni donne' can have over 500k hits on Google. But it may not be worth bothering over. Nicodene (talk) 02:08, 18 December 2021 (UTC)