Talk:rounded vowel

RFD discussion: March–July 2023

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rounded vowel

The usage notes pretty much indicate that this is SOP... "This vowel is rounded". PUC – 18:13, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Agree. Consequentially you should nominate nasal vowel. Either have phonetic definitions on the adjective pages. Fay Freak (talk) 04:51, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

@Fay Freak: Done. PUC – 08:43, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

But prime number passed. We are inconsistent. Equinox ◑ 07:54, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

That's no news, unfortunately. PUC – 08:41, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Keep - I don’t think rounded in this sense can be applied to any other noun, which means we should keep this under WT:FRIED (terms that have specific restrictions to the meaning of constituents). Plus, I think this passes WT:PRIOR (terms that have a specific meaning in a technical field). Theknightwho (talk) 17:05, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

We do not have that general rule about technical vocabulary.

Other collocations using rounded in this sense include rounded pronunciation/sound/accent/a/e/i/o/u DCDuring (talk) 18:11, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

@DCDuring I’m not sure what you mean about not having that rule - I simply quoted the page. Theknightwho (talk) 18:49, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

You are right. I was wrong. DCDuring (talk) 20:22, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Except that there was no vote, AFACIR. The page is a result of Polanskian efforts to impose Polanskian standards. DCDuring (talk) 20:26, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Keep all per Theknightwho. AG202 (talk) 21:43, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Keep all per Theknightwho. These are specific terms and certainly not SOP. – Guitarmankev1 ^(talk) 18:57, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Delete all unless someone turns up correct, convincing evidence. DCDuring (talk) 18:12, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Keep as the corresponding consonants are called labialized instead, so this is not sum-of-parts. Nobody says *labialized vowels in linguistics. No comment on the other two entries. —Soap— 12:04, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Keep all per Theknightwho. Stronger on keeping nasal and oral vowel since the contextual meaning of nasal and oral is arguably less clear; the definition of rounded is more obviously restricted by its semantic context. —Al-Muqanna المقنع (talk) 12:23, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

@AG202, Guitarmankev1, Soap, Al-Muqanna, Theknightwho: There seems to be some misunderstanding here. I'm not denying that nasal, oral and rounded have a specific phonetic sense (which is, in fact, already there in all three entries). My point is that since these adjectives can be used predicatively ("this vowel is rounded", "this vowel is nasal", "this consonant is nasal", etc.), the nominated entries are not unbreakable units. As such, full-blown entries aren't warranted. It's not clear to me why those specific forms (attributive adjective + noun) should deserve full-entry status, instead of merely redirecting to the relevant senses at nasal, oral and rounded. Please clarify. PUC – 18:39, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

There's no misunderstanding here on my part. WT:FRIED still applies. AG202 (talk) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't see what WT:FRIED has got to do with it? PUC – 19:18, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

RFD-kept rounded vowel. I have split off nasal vowel and oral vowel into their own discussion, as the issues there seem to be separate. This, that and the other (talk) 02:48, 11 July 2023 (UTC)