Talk:sobriety
Latest comment: 11 years ago by Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV in topic sobriety
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Rfd-redundant: not intoxicated is the same as sober, right? If it isn't, the first sense needs to be clarified as meaning something other than not intoxicated. It should probably say "sober (all senses)". —Internoob 03:56, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, delete. Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV 04:22, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
- This is an example of a generic problem for terms related to a morphologically simpler term. Our entry for sober has four senses. A single-sense definition for sobreity implies that all four senses of sober might be applicable, which may or may not be true, and in the same order (whether of frequency of current use or historical order of occurrence). Also that the same translation would apply for each sense in every language. Keep, add senses that correspond to each sense of sober and reword challenged sense in line with corresponding sense of sober. DCDuring TALK 12:29, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
- Essentially, I agree with DCDuring, but use glosses like '# Quality of being sober (not drunk)'. I say the same for adverbs where the corresponding adjective has at least two definitions. -Mglovesfun (talk) 12:31, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
- In principle, this notion could even apply to alternative forms and - dare I say it - inflected forms. "-Ly" adverbs, though perhaps not the highest priority, could use this treatment. As for "cleanup"-type listing, I would start with morphologically derived nouns, verbs, and adjectives, especially those that already have translation tables. DCDuring TALK 12:47, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
- Translation tables is a good point, as the translation of "quality of being sober" may depend on which to which sense of sober one is referring. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:37, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
- In principle, this notion could even apply to alternative forms and - dare I say it - inflected forms. "-Ly" adverbs, though perhaps not the highest priority, could use this treatment. As for "cleanup"-type listing, I would start with morphologically derived nouns, verbs, and adjectives, especially those that already have translation tables. DCDuring TALK 12:47, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
- Keep. "Not intoxicated" refers principally to no alcohol content in the blood; "sober" refers to a condition resulting from abstinence from any of several drugs, inclluding marijuana. These definitions aren't the same thing. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:00, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Kept. — Ungoliant (Falai) 00:04, 14 August 2012 (UTC)