Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2012-02/Brand names and physical product 2

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Brand names and physical product 2[edit]

Brand names

A brand name for a physical product should be included if it has entered the lexicon.[1] Apart from genericized trademarks, this is measured objectively by the brand name’s use in at least three independent durably archived citations spanning a period of at least three years. The sources of these citations:

  1. must be independent of any parties with economic interest in the product, including the manufacturer, distributors, retailers, marketers, and advertisers, their parent companies, subsidiaries, and affiliates, at time of authorship; and
  2. must not identify any such parties.

If the term has legal protection as a trademark, the original source must not indicate such. The sources also must not be written:

  1. by any person or group associated with the type of product;
  2. about any person or group specifically associated with the product; or
  3. about the type of product in general.

The text preceding and surrounding the citation must not identify the product to which the brand name applies, whether by stating explicitly or implicitly some feature or use of the product from which its type and purpose may be surmised, or some inherent quality that is necessary for an understanding of the author’s intent. See examples.

  1. ^ Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2007-08/Brand names of products 2

to this:

Brand names

A brand name for a product or service should be included if it has entered the lexicon.[1][2] Apart from genericized trademarks, this is measured objectively by the brand name’s use in at least three independent durably archived citations spanning a period of at least three years. The sources of these citations:

  1. must be independent of any parties with economic interest in the brand, including the manufacturer, distributors, retailers, marketers, and advertisers, their parent companies, subsidiaries, and affiliates, at time of authorship; and
  2. must not identify any such parties.

If the term has legal protection as a trademark, the original source must not indicate such. The sources also must not be written:

  1. by any person or group associated with the type of product or service;
  2. about any person or group specifically associated with the product or service; or
  3. about the type of product or service in general.

The text preceding and surrounding the citation must not identify the product or service to which the brand name applies, whether by stating explicitly or implicitly some feature or use of the product or service from which its type and purpose may be surmised, or some inherent quality that is necessary for an understanding of the author’s intent. See examples.

  1. ^ Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2007-08/Brand names of products 2
  2. ^ Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2012-02/Brand names and physical product 2

This removes the "for a physical product" part and modifies the following text accordingly, thus making any brand name subject to these criteria. The results of the vote Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2012-02/Brand names and physical product, which is a subset of this vote, will be overridden should both votes pass.

  • Vote starts: 00:01, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Vote ends: 23.59, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Support[edit]

  1. Support Liliana • 17:50, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support Equinox ◑ 18:05, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support - -sche (discuss) 21:04, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support --Anatoli (обсудить) 23:52, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support. As I wrote at this vote's sister: I'm not a huge fan of the brand-names criteria in general, but if we're going to have them, we might as well have them for all types of brands. —RuakhTALK 15:09, 16 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Support BiblbroX дискашн 17:16, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Support.​—msh210℠ (talk) 18:32, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Support -- Cirt (talk) 07:24, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Support --Daniel 11:45, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Support —Internoob 23:40, 24 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Support. Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV 11:15, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  12. Support. Could almost have been this way from the beginning. DAVilla 04:06, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose[edit]

  1. Oppose Dan Polansky (talk) 17:57, 22 March 2012 (UTC) I am hesitant to oppose, but I do oppose, after all. The good thing about the proposed change is that it removes the separation of brand names of products from brand names of services. The bad thing is that it extends an over-exclusive regulation to brand names of services. See also my vote at Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2012-02/Brand names and physical product. --Dan Polansky (talk) 17:57, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Abstain[edit]

  1. Abstain. I'm leaning towards support because I think it will be easier to implement than what it's replacing, but I'm ambivalent enough about the issue to abstain rather than support. Mglovesfun (talk) 18:02, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Abstain  Why is this being changed? There's not a single example mentioned here of a discussion or situation where this would make a difference. How will this change our practices? —Michael Z. 2012-03-20 02:14 z
    As regards entries impacted by the change: Amtrak was argued by some (Talk:Amtrak) to be a name of service, to be regulated by WT:BRAND. --Dan Polansky (talk)
  3. Abstain. (I feel like we're probably going to regret this change at some point, but I can't think of any specific reasons...) --Yair rand (talk) 12:54, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Decision[edit]

12-1-3 - Passes. --Daniel 18:10, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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