Wiktionary talk:Beer parlour/case-sensitivity vote
How are people going to keep up with this if it's in two places and both are being update?!
Can't we redirect from here to there instead? — Hippietrail 05:59, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- I don't know, but I'm glad it was moved, as the page on meta is now consistently crashing my browser. —Muke Tever 15:30, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Let's take the article Polish/polish as an example
Under "Polish" we would find:
Etymology[edit]
Slavic ...
Pronunciation[edit]
Adjective[edit]
Polish
- From Poland
Noun[edit]
Polish
- Language spoken in Poland.
Homographs[edit]
Under "polish" we would find:
Etymology[edit]
Old French ...
Pronunciation[edit]
Noun[edit]
polish
- a substance used to polish
- A good silver polish will remove tarnish easily.
- cleanliness; smoothness, shininess
- The floor was waxed to a high polish.
- refinement; cleanliness in performance or presentation
- The lecturer showed a lot of polish at his last talk.
Verb[edit]
to polish (polished, polished)
- to shine; to make a surface very smooth or shiny by rubbing, cleaning, or grinding (often polish up)
- He polished up the chrome until it gleamed.
- to refine; remove imperfections
- The band has polished its performance since the last concert.
Homographs[edit]
Maybe it would be possible to put the Homographs header at the top of the page. So it is more obvious. But I don't think that should be necessary and I hope nobody is going to propose disambiguation pages... linking and redirecting as appropriate should be enough.
- Um, the question arises: if these are actually homographs, why are they, apparently, spelled differently enough to be on separate pages? Is there a more sensible heading this can be put under?
- Furthermore, why bother to separate the pages if we are going to link them all back to each other anyway? —Muke Tever 15:30, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- Linking between pages is what Wiki and the web are all about. They are not something evil, but in the context of the wiki something to use with moderation. Linking words with almost the same spelling seems perfectly reasonable to me. I agree that maybe the term homograph is not totally appropriate. I'm not a linguist and I don't know the exact definition homograph stands for. But I don't mind what the section is called as long as both words are linked somehow. They may be otherwise unrelated, but since they have almost the same spelling, it is as interesting as linking finish and Finnish to each other because they happen to be homophones. Polyglot 07:15, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- I've revised the Polish/polish example to allow for Etymology, and to reflect the fact that the pronunciation for each is consistent across parts of speach.
- It remains to be researched whether words that vary by capitalization are true homographs, but I for now can't see myself objecting to that usage. Perhaps we should revive the 4th century transubstantiation argument and call them "homeographs". :-)
- I think we can safely avoid disambiguation pages for the forseeable future. Cross links should be adequate. I'm still undecided about whether the "homographs" should be at the top of the page. Eclecticology 11:48, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
For words like say July where some people may not know that months in English are capitalized (They aren't in some other languages), we can create a redirect from july to July. Content really should be only in one place. The page that has the correct spelling and capitalization. If people start adding content to july, somebody will add it to July. The wiki way of doing things. Words like Rot/rot, Blau/blau in German will indeed get distributed over two pages, but that's not a big deal. One time we are describing a noun, the other an adjective. The definitions will look almost the same, but that doesn't matter. I have to admit I had gotten used to having all these terms on one page, but that's not a reason to want to keep it this way. In fact we have been asking for this change from the start. I understand that some people want to see this fixed in a more appropriate way. The reality is that it won't get fixed if we ask for too much at a time. We should be happy that there is a developer who (finally) wants to take care of this problem now. Polyglot 06:46, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- I have no problem with the redirect from "july". AFAIK there is no English usage of the uncapitalized form, and the month is spelled differently in other languages. "May" may march out a different august situation. Eclecticology 11:48, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
case sentitivity[edit]
Why are there two different entries for Aaron's Rod and Aaron's rod? When making a new entry, there should be a script that brings up other similar pages, so that the writer can check that there isn't already an entry and that he's got the spelling right, first. What do you think?
- Only the person who contributed Aaron's Rod can answer that. Feel free to change the article into a redirect to the other. Eclecticology 21:47, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)