Wiktionary talk:Votes/2013-09/Translation-links to other Wiktionaries

FL-entry known not to exist (case 2)

Will the translation be updated when the FL entry is created? How often will the checks be made? --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 08:44, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

I run the bot just about every time a new en.wikt database-dump comes out, and at that time I use the latest database-dumps from all the other Wiktionaries. Assuming that database-dumps come out every two weeks or so, this means that the links can get out-of-date by up to about four weeks.
That's not part of the vote, however. I can't promise that I will always be around to run the bot. The original translation-bot belonged to Robert Ullmann; after he became ill, the links languished out-of-date for a few years before I wrote mine. The same might happen again if, say, my hard drive were to crash. That's one reason the vote says that it shouldn't be taken too strictly: if we ever lose confidence in the up-to-date–ness of the links, we might decide to switch to a more "neutral" formatting that doesn't depend on bot-updated knowledge.
—Ruakh_TALK 15:40, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

not-yet-bot-touched (case 4)

I don't like this option. Considering to vote in favour, otherwise. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 08:46, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Can you elaborate a bit on what you don't like about it, and what you would like instead? —Ruakh_TALK 15:31, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

It's a minor issue, but I'm a little wary of it as well. For various reasons, bots may go a long time without running (think of how many years went by between the demise of TBot and the birth of Rukhabot, or just of how many weeks might go by if a bot owner is busy), so it would seem to me safer to make "linking to the FL wikt" the default. - -sche (discuss) 16:57, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

I dunno, to me it seems like it's better to be missing a link that would have been valid, than to present a valid-looking link that points to a 404 on another Wiktionary. (Consider interwiki-links, for example; or links to the Wikipedias. Or, for that matter, links to arbitrary web-pages. With the exception of within-en.wikt redlinks, we never link to nonexistent pages; we only link to pages when we know they exist. And I think that this is what Internet users expect.) —Ruakh_TALK 17:32, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Fair point. The issue isn't big enough to make me oppose the vote. - -sche (discuss) 21:12, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the answers. I'll reconsider. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 23:17, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Linking to FL entries still not working when adding new translations when FL entries exist

At bale#Translations, I had to manually change {{t-}} to {{t+}} (with or without stress mark (́)) for Russian translations "тюк" and "кипа". The translation adder doesn't see the existing FL entries. It didn't work for the German "Ballen" and the French "ballot". Both exist in the corresponding Wiktionaries. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 07:09, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

I fixed that yesterday, about half an hour after changing the script to never produce {{t-}} or {{tø}}, only {{t}} or {{t+}}. So if it produced {{t-}} as you say, then your browser apparently doesn't have the current version yet; you'll need to hard-refresh, or clear your cache, or whatnot. Probably the best is to go to https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=User:Conrad.Irwin/editor.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript and hit Ctrl+F5. —Ruakh_TALK 18:03, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, it's working for me (forgot to hard refresh again). I'll keep monitoring this. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 02:41, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Unexpected problem for right-to-left languages - order of appearance and transliteration of other words

It's not introduced by this but lack of Roman letters (with no links to FL) between templates causes this:

E.g. umbrella#Translations in Persian - first translation lacks transliteration and links:

• Persian: سایه بان, چتر (fa) (čatr)

It's totally confusing. Since the Persian words changed the order, "čatr" follows a wrong word.

Fixed by adding transliteration:

• Persian: سایه بان (sâye bân), چتر (fa) (čatr)

They may be a lot of right-to-left language translations without transliteration and links to FL wikis.

They should appear in the fist example in this order (I used {{LR}}): * Persian: سایه بان‎, چتر (fa) (čatr) --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 08:50, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Good point. It looks like the best place to fix that is Module:script utilities, in the tag_text function. —Ruakh_TALK 22:36, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I wouldn't know how, though. Perhaps each right-to-left language translation should be followed by {{LR}}), so that multiple translations would appear in the left-to-right order, separated by commas:, e.g. * Hebrew: אחת‎, שתיים‎, שלושה‎, not * Hebrew: אחת, שתיים, שלושה? --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 23:06, 10 October 2013 (UTC)