Wiktionary talk:Votes/2021-04/Creation of Template:inh+ and Template:bor+

{{bor+}}

@Inqilābī, why can't we restore the text “Borrowed from […] ” to {{borrowed}} (and add a |notext= to it), instead of a new template {{bor+}}? As it is, {{bor}} is used only once in an etymology, so what better is a new {{bor+}} than the existing {{bor}} with the text added and an additional |notext= parameter? 🔥शब्दशोधक🔥 07:10, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

@SodhakSH: Now it is too late to consider your idea, and per your own words: […] once the vote has started, its wording can't be changed. This is what a BP discussion was for; there without taking part in the crucial discussion, you just kept on supporting & supporting & supporting the ideas raised. Now, for what it’s worth, there are words that could be borrowed from multiple sources, and especially for conlangs, the number of direct sources is often great, so using |notext= all the time could be toilsome: so {{bor+}} seems to be all right. -_⸘- dictātor·mundī 08:12, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

@Inqilābī Yeah, it seems alright. Though, the vote hasn't started yet, and you can change it before it starts, I think (this is an example, where the wording was changed, before the voting began), so you can still consider this and it isn't too late to consider my idea. And I agree I should've taken part in the crucial discussion instead of " supporting & supporting & supporting" 😂 🔥शब्दशोधक🔥 08:23, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

• @SodhakSH: I suggest removing your words ‘and I'll keep " supporting & supporting & supporting"’ from your support statement. It looks so wry, it might interfere with the success of the vote, especially seeing as you were the first person to cast the vote. -_⸘- dictātor·mundī 05:27, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

• That was just for some humor. I'll remove it just now. 🔥शब्दशोधक🔥 05:29, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Does capitalisation need to be considered?

Template:blend has the nocap=1 parameter, for example. Equinox ◑ 07:13, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, you are right: as User:-sche said before in the BP, there are sometimes instances of ‘Partially inherited from […] , partially borrowed from […] ’— so |nocap= is actually needed. I shall edit the vote page accordingly. Thank you for pointing that out. -_⸘- dictātor·mundī 08:51, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

@Equinox: After suggesting a nice point, you forgot to cast your vote…? XD -_⸘- dictātor·mundī 00:36, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@Inqilābī: Thanks. But I didn't really care about this vote. Templates were born to torment me. I do, however, care about getting little technical details right. You know any job openings at the Unicode Consortium? Equinox ◑ 08:21, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Vote namespace

@Metaknowledge, I am quite confused, is this a policy vote or a simple vote? I created it as a policy vote, but now I think I got to be sure if I have done it right. Thanks. -_⸘- dictātor·mundī 04:30, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Not a policy vote, because it doesn't require any policy pages to be edited. Also not really something that needs a vote at all, in my opinion, but what do I know — I'm going to oppose it anyway (unless somebody comes up with a really compelling argument). —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 04:38, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

@Metaknowledge: There were already thorough BP discussions on this, and since there were oppositions to this proposal, a created a vote. -_⸘- dictātor·mundī 05:25, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

@Inqilābī: You need to add your vote to {{votes}}. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 02:03, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

@SodhakSH: Can you please do it for me? I am too unwell to do this… -_⸘- dictātor·mundī 03:05, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Already done! 🔥शब्दशोधक🔥 03:06, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Using new templates - re: diff

@Inqilābī: Well I think we can, since it also links to the glossary and the majority is voting keep at RFD. It would not be very nice for Victar, PUC, Mahagaja [the main reverters] to revert additions of {{bor+}} and {{inh+}} despite these. 🔥शब्दशोधक🔥 14:38, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@SodhakSH, Inqilābī: Please answer these questions: what are you going to do with these templates? Are you going to use them in new entries / etymology sections (don't care), or are you going to replace plain text that's already there with them (like diff)? And are you going to revert people who replace them with plain text (like diff)? I still don't understand where you're going with this. 212.224.228.86 14:50, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@PUC Yes, I'll revert those who actually replace these templates with plain text. When I edit a page (for other purposes than etymology) I'll replace the plain text with these templates, especially if it previously was "from". I'll not change a page only for these 2 templates (like at shave). At one point, I thought of substituting these but then came to my mind a messed up source code. But if someone reverts these templates, like you did, I may start substituting them and then I'll damn care about the mess. 🔥शब्दशोधक🔥 15:02, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@SodhakSH: I don't care if you replace a bare "From" by one of your templates, but please don't touch etymologies that are already fine (such as burlesque), even if that's not the only thing you do. That's not what was voted on. The near-consensus you got is only for creating the templates; nothing was said on their use cases, so you currently haven't demonstrated a consensus for those substitutions you're planning to do. (Btw, this is the chief reason why I would have opposed the creation of these templates: I'm not opposed to them per se, but I think your ultimate goal is to have them become the norm and replace {{inh}} and {{bor}} altogether, which is what I'm opposed to. And you're trying to do that on the sly, by omitting to mention their use cases altogether!)

So, to be clear, If you do such replacements, I will revert you (particularly in the languages I work with); I'll also feel free to replace new instances with plain text (particularly in the languages I work with). 212.224.228.86 15:39, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@212.224.228.86: You're right. My ultimate goal is to have them become the norm. That doesn't mean that {{inh}} and {{bor}} are going to be replaced; they'll be used when the text isn't needed. If [you] don't care if [I] replace a bare "From" by one of [these 2] templates, would you approve of them? (diff). 🔥शब्दशोधक🔥 07:22, 24 June 2021 (UTC)