Category talk:ase:English derivations
[Copied from User talk:Rodasmith at request] —Di gama (t • c • w) 02:38, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
It bothers me that this category, while fine for spoken languages, does not fit well for sign languages, since there are more ways than one for a sign to be derived from another language. Initialization is the specific act of taking the initial letter in a given language (almost exclusively English for ASL) to form the handsign for the sign. I consider this to be separate from "loan words" like Kop@Inside-PalmForward 1o@Inside (“dog”), and as such they should be in a more specific category. It may be more consistent with other languages to create this as a subcategory and move all the pages in the original (much fewer than there should be) into the new one, but I think all words either belong in one of the two groups mentioned above, or the group of non-English-derived ASL signs, so that Category:ase:English derivations has no articles in it directly. —Di gama (t • c • w) 05:39, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
- I agree. How about we move this conversation to Category talk:ase:English derivations and link to it from Wiktionary talk:About sign languages, or vice-versa? —Rod (A. Smith) 18:09, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
- Not sure I understand your view of the ideal situation, Di gama. You're saying words formed with a handshape derived from English (but not otherwise derived from English) should be in cat:ase:English initializations, and fingerspelled loanwords should be... where?—msh210℠ 17:30, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
- I meant that all the pages in the category (last time I checked) were actually initializations and should be labeled appropriately. Actual loan words do belong in that category, but I didn't see any when I wrote the first post. (The loan word example I gave was not in any relevant category, but it should go in Category:ase:English derivations). —Di gama (t • c • w) 03:38, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- Fwiw I have no objection assuming that the initializations category is a subcat of the derivations category. I imagine (this is a guess) that there are some ase:French initializations (via LSF), and that can be a subcat of cat:ase:French derivations, too, then.—msh210℠ 16:37, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
- I meant that all the pages in the category (last time I checked) were actually initializations and should be labeled appropriately. Actual loan words do belong in that category, but I didn't see any when I wrote the first post. (The loan word example I gave was not in any relevant category, but it should go in Category:ase:English derivations). —Di gama (t • c • w) 03:38, 15 October 2009 (UTC)