Reconstruction talk:Proto-Indo-European/gʷíh₃weti

Relationship

What are the relationships between *gʷeyh₃-, *gʷíh₃we- and *gʷih₃wós? 129.78.233.211 04:40, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

To start with, if you ignore the accent, they're all basically identical in the first syllable: y is just i next to a vowel, and most PIE syllables can switch between e, o, or nothing for vowels (that's where the vowels in sing/sang/sung came from).

*gʷih₃wós is just the root + an ending, but *gʷíh₃we- has something weird going on- I'll leave that one to someone who knows more than I do. Chuck Entz (talk) 05:09, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

*gʷíh₃we- was just the verb stem, now moved to the third-singular form *gʷíh₃weti. — Eru·tuon 16:21, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes, but what is odd is that a verb was created directly from an adjective stem without any suffix. You don't really ever see that in PIE; the only place where verbs are derived without any suffix/infix/prefix is root verbs, which form verbs straight from roots. So it looks like the adjective stem was interpreted as a root somehow and had a thematic root verb derived from it. Very weird. —CodeCat 16:55, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Irregular dissimilation

As far as I can tell, it's neither dissimilation nor irregular. Next to *w, labiovelars are delabialised, that's a regular sound change in PIE. Actually it's not even a sound change but a phonological restriction, as it also applied in most of the centum branches. Proto-Germanic for example still retained the restriction. —CodeCat 12:06, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

If it were gʷígʷwe- > gʷígwe- it would be neither dissimilation nor irregular, but it's gʷígʷwe- > gʷíh₃we-, and the change of gʷ to h₃ is dissimilatory and irregular. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 23:08, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

But that's not even a possible change. Possible would be *gʷígwe- > *gʷíh₃we-. —CodeCat 23:14, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

I meant /gʷígʷwe-/ at the phonemic level, with the zero grade of the supposed *gʷew- mentioned in the etymology. But either way, the point is that it isn't the "gʷ > g / _ w" change that's being called irregular dissimilation. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 07:45, 19 March 2014 (UTC)