Reconstruction talk:Proto-Indo-European/mosgʰós

RFV discussion: December 2019

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Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/mosgʰós

@Victar Verification of the accent. The page was moved to its current accented form on the basis of the Sanskrit accent. But is that enough evidence to base the PIE accent position on? —Rua (mew) 20:13, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

@Rua: There's no reason the accent would have shifted in Sanskrit, which points to it being original to PIE. --{{victar|talk}} 20:31, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Oh, right, right, the Sanskrit is actually from *mésgʰ-ō ~ *m̥sgʰ-nés, or something. Yeah, impossible to really say than, but that makes me also think this should be at a root noun entry. --{{victar|talk}} 20:48, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Oh my God. The Proto-Balto-Slavic system is not deducible from such a PIE with Greek-Aryan accent: This is explained Kapović, Nikolaev, Dybo, Shallert et cetera... Gnosandes (talk) 20:57, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

I created an entry for *mazǰʰā́ as well. I think a *mṓsgʰ-s *mesgʰ-és reconstruction would make sense in light of the Celtic masculine e-grade. Strike that, that Celtic word is probably unrelated. --{{victar|talk}} 22:12, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

@Victar I think it's great. It's possible that it works. *mesgʰ_[+]-ḗn_[+] 🤔

PIE	Vedic Sanskrit	Greek, PGerm.	PSl.	Lith.	PSl.	Lith.
			root with PBS. circumflex	root with PBS. circumflex	root with PBS. acute	root with PBS. acute
ROOT[+]-o[+]	*CV́Co > *CVCó	*CV́Co	(accent paradigm) B/D	(accent paradigm) 2	(accent paradigm) A	(accent paradigm) 1
ROOT[+]-o[-]	*CV́Co	*CV́Co	(accent paradigm) B/D	(accent paradigm) 2	(accent paradigm) A	(accent paradigm) 1
ROOT[-]-o[-]	*CV́Co > *CVCó	*CV́Co > *CVCó	(accent paradigm) C	(accent paradigm) 4	(accent paradigm) C/A	(accent paradigm) 3/1
ROOT[-]-o[+]	*CV́Co	*CV́Co	(accent paradigm) B/D	(accent paradigm) 2	(accent paradigm) A	(accent paradigm) 2

Gnosandes (talk) 22:22, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

@Gnosandes, please stop disrupting threads with your valence theory reconstructions. We're not interested. --{{victar|talk}} 22:38, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

@Victar, You are not interested, but to reconstruct according to one language it is unjustified... Gnosandes (talk) 22:49, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Stop. It's going to get you banned. --{{victar|talk}} 23:03, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

@Victar, I will complain about the one who banned me! If you collect a sheet of your accents, you get chaos in system. For science not block :) Gnosandes (talk) 23:17, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome to complain all you want. --{{victar|talk}} 09:07, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Gnosandes has been blocked for a month for once again derailing a discussion and starting another fringe POV discussion below (which I removed). Hopefully we can continue this discussion in peace now. —Rua (mew) 11:04, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

@Rua: I think I've cleaned it and its sub-entries up the best I can. Feel free to move the PIE entry back to an unaccented form, in light of above. --{{victar|talk}} 11:41, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

@Victar The accent of *mazǰʰás and descendants may need re-examining too. —Rua (mew) 12:38, 21 December 2019 (UTC)