Reconstruction talk:Proto-Japonic/tuntumi

Possible Sanskrit loanword

There are some academic professionals (such as this [[1]] by Allan Marett) that claim a Sanskrit borrowing (*tuntumi < dundubhí); indeed according to him we can find that the PJ form is closer to the Sanskrit form (notably, the sequence -nd- > *-nt- > -d-) and that it was transmitted from Central Asia (maybe with the spread of Buddhism). I do honestly believe that it is not a false cognate, because it follows a tendency for voiced consonants to devoice (such as buddha > PJ *pətə-kay > OJ pötö-ke, all meaning "Buddha") in prehistoric borrowings. Do you agree with that assumption? Kwékwlos (talk) 05:56, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

@Mellohi!, making you aware of the above. Kwékwlos (talk) 12:05, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

@Eirikr @Mellohi! It's been four months now, can anyone decide a consensus? Kwékwlos (talk) 05:48, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

@Kwékwlos Note: See the Nipponica information on Kotobank here:

古代インドの打楽器dudubhiまたはdundubhiを語源とする説、中国の打楽器、都曇鼓(つどんこ)が日本に輸入されて豆豆美と表記されたのに由来する、などの説がある。

Theories include a derivation from the ancient Indian percussion instrument dudubhi/dundubhi, or from the Chinese percussion instrument 都曇鼓 (MC tu dom kuX) (tsudongo), which was imported to Japan and spelled as 豆豆美 (toutoumi/dudumi?).

I like to identify loanwords into Proto-Japonic (not suggesting a genetic origin), so I'd support this case. Chuterix (talk) 03:19, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

We shouldn't entirely exclude other theories which might be correct in the long term, such as the possible genetic relation of Japonic to other families outside the "Altaic" grouping (which within has been refuted). Kwékwlos (talk) 09:22, 16 January 2023 (UTC)