Talk:лёгкий
Latest comment: 10 years ago by Wikitiki89 in topic Audio
Audio[edit]
The current audio file does not sound like a native speaker to me. --WikiTiki89 01:24, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
- I think it's a Russian man, he raises a tone on a second unstressed syllable, which is not quite unusual. BTW, Stephen G. Brown (talk • contribs) mentioned this in User_talk:Atitarev#Russian intonation. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 01:32, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
- Not only that, but he also doesn't palatalize the /x/. --WikiTiki89 01:36, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
- Oh that. I say /ˈlʲɵx.kʲɪj/, not /ˈlʲɵxʲ.kʲɪj/. Perfectly normal to my ear. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 01:41, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
- It's actually more than just that. It sounds like the /l/ is only half-palatalized and the vowel quality of the ё seems a little off. Then again it could just the raised tone on the second syllable that is throwing me off subconsciously. --WikiTiki89 01:50, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
- Oh that. I say /ˈlʲɵx.kʲɪj/, not /ˈlʲɵxʲ.kʲɪj/. Perfectly normal to my ear. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 01:41, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
- Not only that, but he also doesn't palatalize the /x/. --WikiTiki89 01:36, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
- I tried listening to the first syllable on its own (as if it were "лёх"), and it still sounds weird to me. --WikiTiki89 01:52, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
- It's palatalised but a little bit stretched - /llʲɵx-/. My daughter, who grew up in Australia, sometimes has trouble understanding other Russians or thinks they speak strangely, although she speaks without accent. The recording sounds OK and native to me. Maybe you haven't heard enough ranges of voices speaking Russian? --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 02:36, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
- I normally have a good ear for accents. I've watched a lot of Soviet movies with varieties of characters from different places. I've even watched YouTube videos of extreme accents such as the one in this video (the intro music goes on for a while and the actual interview starts at 2:50). This recording here just sounds strange to me. I'm starting to think that it is the way he pronounces the /x/, but I can't figure out what exactly is wrong with it. --WikiTiki89 02:48, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
- That's a similar situation with my 21-old daughter, who was born in Russia but left when she was 5. She has watched a lot of Russian movies and videos, talks with us, our relatives and friends but something small is still missing. She has some trouble understanding Russian songs (sometimes) or may not understand a subtle joke, which has nothing to do with accents. I can hear Russian from afar, make out the sounds, understand any song and any accent, with English I still have to strain my ears at times, especially some American movies, especially songs. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 03:13, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
- See that's not the case for me. I can hear Russian from afar as well. I can understand any song or accent (except that my vocabulary is sometimes lacking). I think the reason here is that the guy pronouncing the word is dragging it out too long. If the same person said this word in a sentence it would probably sound fine. --WikiTiki89 03:18, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
- It could be a range of voices and speaking manners still, a slight lack of exposure. Do you know Russian people who stutter or like to drag their words, like when reading poems? I would recite Mayakovsky or Rozhdestvensky with such a manner (I'm not a fan of either). --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 03:30, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, but this particular audio file still sounds strange to me. It sounds a bit like a Polish or Czech accent. --WikiTiki89 03:40, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
- It could be a range of voices and speaking manners still, a slight lack of exposure. Do you know Russian people who stutter or like to drag their words, like when reading poems? I would recite Mayakovsky or Rozhdestvensky with such a manner (I'm not a fan of either). --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 03:30, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
- See that's not the case for me. I can hear Russian from afar as well. I can understand any song or accent (except that my vocabulary is sometimes lacking). I think the reason here is that the guy pronouncing the word is dragging it out too long. If the same person said this word in a sentence it would probably sound fine. --WikiTiki89 03:18, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
- That's a similar situation with my 21-old daughter, who was born in Russia but left when she was 5. She has watched a lot of Russian movies and videos, talks with us, our relatives and friends but something small is still missing. She has some trouble understanding Russian songs (sometimes) or may not understand a subtle joke, which has nothing to do with accents. I can hear Russian from afar, make out the sounds, understand any song and any accent, with English I still have to strain my ears at times, especially some American movies, especially songs. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 03:13, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
- I normally have a good ear for accents. I've watched a lot of Soviet movies with varieties of characters from different places. I've even watched YouTube videos of extreme accents such as the one in this video (the intro music goes on for a while and the actual interview starts at 2:50). This recording here just sounds strange to me. I'm starting to think that it is the way he pronounces the /x/, but I can't figure out what exactly is wrong with it. --WikiTiki89 02:48, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
- It's palatalised but a little bit stretched - /llʲɵx-/. My daughter, who grew up in Australia, sometimes has trouble understanding other Russians or thinks they speak strangely, although she speaks without accent. The recording sounds OK and native to me. Maybe you haven't heard enough ranges of voices speaking Russian? --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 02:36, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
- I tried listening to the first syllable on its own (as if it were "лёх"), and it still sounds weird to me. --WikiTiki89 01:52, 12 December 2013 (UTC)