Talk:جرجر
Latest comment: 5 years ago by Calak
@Fay Freak, can you expand the Arabic please. --Vahag (talk) 07:43, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
- I am not sure about Kurdish etymology, It should be from earlier *cender(r) (with regular d > c in Kurdish). See Cabalov for more, ǰanǰār).--Calak (talk) 09:29, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Calak, so the near identity of form and meaning with the words of other languages is a coincidence? That seems very unlikely. Perhaps in Kurdish we are dealing with a contamination of the Iranian ǰandar- words denoting various machines with Arabic jarjar. --Vahag (talk) 09:52, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
- Perhaps the Arabic borrowed from an Iranian language rather than inherited.--Calak (talk) 12:08, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Fay Freak, does the derivation of جَرْجَر (jarjar) from j-r-r follow normal patterns? --Vahag (talk) 12:23, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Vahagn Petrosyan For Vulgar Arabic, yes. Nothing unsettling. And it is to be expected even that for such a thing that they reduplicate (thinking particularly about what one does, repeatedly, with the thing). Fay Freak (talk) 12:28, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
- Then given that the origin of the Iranian instrument terms is not certain (the correspondence with Sanskrit यन्त्र (yantra) is not regular) and that none of them refers specifically to a threshing sledge, I find the Arabic origin more convincing. --Vahag (talk) 12:44, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
- It is clear from Armenian, but not for Kurdish. I found these Iranian cognates: Alviri ǰanǰal, Anaraki värriyū, Ebrahimabadi ganǰal, Luri barǰī (< *barǰūn), Nayini väryūn, Sagezabadi ǰanǰal, Vafsi ǰalǰal, Yazdi garǰōn.--Calak (talk) 11:49, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
- Then given that the origin of the Iranian instrument terms is not certain (the correspondence with Sanskrit यन्त्र (yantra) is not regular) and that none of them refers specifically to a threshing sledge, I find the Arabic origin more convincing. --Vahag (talk) 12:44, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Vahagn Petrosyan For Vulgar Arabic, yes. Nothing unsettling. And it is to be expected even that for such a thing that they reduplicate (thinking particularly about what one does, repeatedly, with the thing). Fay Freak (talk) 12:28, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Fay Freak, does the derivation of جَرْجَر (jarjar) from j-r-r follow normal patterns? --Vahag (talk) 12:23, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
- Perhaps the Arabic borrowed from an Iranian language rather than inherited.--Calak (talk) 12:08, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Calak, so the near identity of form and meaning with the words of other languages is a coincidence? That seems very unlikely. Perhaps in Kurdish we are dealing with a contamination of the Iranian ǰandar- words denoting various machines with Arabic jarjar. --Vahag (talk) 09:52, 27 April 2019 (UTC)