Talk:سنة

masculine sound plural

Hi, a feminine noun cannot form its plural using the masculine sound plural. Yet, the first vowel changes into كسرة, so I'd like to add the explanation for this in the entry. Thanks in advance. --Backinstadiums (talk) 16:54, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

This is simply not true. Feminine nouns can have masculine sound plurals, and masculine nouns can have feminine sound plurals. --WikiTiki89 18:28, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

@Wikitiki89 Hi, is that true even without any change at all in the form from which the plural is made? Could you offer a couple of examples of each please? Because in this case the first vowel changes into كسرة.

It's more common for masculine nouns to have feminine sound plurals than the other way around, so I don't know other examples of feminine nouns with masculine sound plurals (but they may exist). But مَقَام (maqām) has plural مَقَامَات (maqāmāt), اِمْتِحَان (imtiḥān) has اِمْتِحَانَات (imtiḥānāt), etc. --WikiTiki89 18:47, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

@Wikitiki89 Yes, that is grammatical norm. Yet the base form from which the plurals are made remains exactly the same, unlike in this term in which the first vowel changes into كسرة.

Here's one: رِئَة (riʔa) has both plurals رِئَات (riʔāt) and رِئُون (riʔūn). --WikiTiki89 19:56, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

@Wikitiki89 Thank you so much. I'd like to know how you managed to find it, since there's no category for "terms using both msc. and fem. plurals". --Backinstadiums (talk) 20:12, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

I just browsed through Category:Arabic nouns with sound masculine plural and saw a word with ة. --WikiTiki89 20:14, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

@Wikitiki89 Certainly, it seems the only exception. Do you know where in wiktionary sobody could confirm whether this is true? --Backinstadiums (talk) 20:20, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

@Wikitiki89 I mean whether both are actually heard today, whether in 'MSA' or native dialects. --Backinstadiums (talk) 20:26, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Just because it's the only exception in Wiktionary, doesn't mean it's actually the only one. You'd have to ask a native speaker about actual usage, I have no idea. --WikiTiki89 20:35, 14 February 2017 (UTC)