Talk:せう

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RFC discussion: May–August 2016[edit]

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"Word" is not a part of speech, nor is (in the template) "lemma". —CodeCat 20:00, 4 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

I've cleaned up せう (seu, historically sheu), turning it into a stub redirect to the modern reading しょう (shō). ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 19:07, 13 May 2016 (UTC)Reply
Now see #せう, redux. - -sche (discuss) 04:53, 1 August 2016 (UTC)Reply

らつ[edit]

As above. —CodeCat 20:02, 4 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

Cleaned. Nibiko (talk) 16:52, 13 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

びち[edit]

As above. —CodeCat 20:02, 4 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

Cleaned. Nibiko (talk) 16:52, 13 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

ひょく[edit]

As above. —CodeCat 20:02, 4 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

Sent to RFD. Nibiko (talk) 16:52, 13 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

でち[edit]

As above. This one's already RFDed. —CodeCat 20:02, 4 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

The only thing that I can do is blank the page, because this reading isn't used, so I'll just let it fail RFD. Nibiko (talk) 16:52, 13 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

ちゅん[edit]

As above. —CodeCat 20:02, 4 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

Cleaned. Nibiko (talk) 16:52, 13 May 2016 (UTC)Reply


Page note[edit]

Page note before deletion:

The historical kana rendering せう was formerly read as /ɕeu/. Over time, this pronunciation shifted to /ɕoː/, and during the spelling reforms of the Showa era, the kana spelling was changed to しょう to match the pronunciation. There is nothing in modern Japanese that is read as せう, with a modern pronunciation of /seu/. This reading せう is only used historically. It has been superseded in modern Japanese by the reading しょう (shō). See that entry for characters read as しょう (shō) in modern Japanese.

surjection??10:05, 8 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

RFD discussion: February 2018–February 2021[edit]

See Talk:えう#RFD discussion: February 2018–February 2021.

RFC discussion: August 2016–February 2021[edit]

The following discussion has been moved from Wiktionary:Requests for cleanup (permalink).

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せう, redux

Firstly, this should be in a category, even if only the "non-entry" category that {{no entry}} adds. Secondly, the page it directs users to for more information never mentions it ... is せう an obsolete form of every sense of しょう, or only of some? - -sche (discuss) 04:52, 1 August 2016 (UTC)Reply

  • Japanese kana entries are basically all about reading -- i.e., pronunciation. The historical kana rendering せう was formerly read as /ɕeu/. Over time, this pronunciation shifted to /ɕoː/, and during the spelling reforms of the Showa era, the kana spelling was changed to しょう to match the pronunciation. There is nothing in modern Japanese that is read as せう, with a modern pronunciation of /seu/.
I've reworded the usage note to match the above. Is that clearer?
I don't know how to categorize this correctly, so I leave that for others. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 22:07, 1 August 2016 (UTC)Reply
Closed as the entry in question no longer exists. — surjection??18:39, 10 February 2021 (UTC)Reply