Talk:なり

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Sources: Manyoushuu

https://ja.m.wikisource.org/wiki/%E4%B8%87%E8%91%89%E9%9B%86/%E7%AC%AC%E4%B8%80%E5%B7%BB

[原文]山越乃 風乎時自見 寐<夜>不落 家在妹乎 懸而小竹櫃

[訓読]山越しの風を時じみ寝る夜おちず家なる妹を懸けて偲ひつ

[仮名]やまごしの かぜをときじみ ぬるよおちず いへなるいもを かけてしのひつ

The Young Prussian (talk) 00:12, 5 November 2022 (UTC)Reply

Spellings[edit]

@The Young Prussian, Fish bowl, some quick thoughts.

  1. We shouldn't use man'yōgana as a guide to whether or not to include kanji in {{ja-kanjitab}}.
  2. Even if we were to do that, we should ensure that the kanji is actually used consistently for the sense / reading.

I did a brief survey of the MYS for uses of . Looking just at books 1 and 9:

Book Poem Stanza 原文 Stanza kana 在 kana
1 6 4 家在妹乎 いへなるいもを なる
1 52 11 在立之 ありたたし あり
1 62 1 在根良 ありねよし あり
9 1668 2 幸在待 さきくありまて あり
9 1669 3 鹿島在 かしまなる なる
9 1685 4 散乱而在 ちりみだれたる たる
9 1688 2 人母在八方 ひともあれやも あれ
9 1689 1 在衣邊 ありそへに あり
9 1689 5 戀布在奈利 こほしくありなり あり
9 1691 1 客在者 たびにあれば あれ
9 1697 2 使在之 つかひにあらし あら
9 1698 2 人母在八方 ひともあれやも あれ
9 1749 13 雖不見<在> めさずとも ???
9 1753 32 茂者雖在 しげくはあれど あれど
9 1797 2 荒礒丹者雖在 ありそにはあれど あれど
9 1809 10 牢而座在者 こもりてをれば ???

The character 在 is consistently used for some sense of "is; to be", but the readings are variable, showing poetic flexibility in various contractions, and not showing any consistency at all for which conjugated forms are used.

Conclusion: We should not include in {{ja-kanjitab}} for the term なり (nari). ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 00:14, 5 November 2022 (UTC)Reply