Talk:今すぐ

Possible SOP

None of my dictionaries include this, not JA <> JA nor JA <> EN, although they all have 今 and すぐ / 直ぐ as separate terms. It appears that other editors consider this to be a simple sum-of-parts, and not an integral term. -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 23:22, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

The term is in Edict dictionary. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 00:07, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

... and so far that's the only one. EDICT was notably compiled mostly by (or at least under the direction of) Jim Breen, if I understand his notes correctly, and thus has an inherent English > Japanese bias, inasmuch as Breen himself is a native English speaker. This is not in any way to slag his work; I intend only to point out a likely bias in determining what meets his CFI. 今すぐ might be a handy translation of EN immediately, but there's really nothing much idiomatic to 今すぐ by my own parsing. Instead of doing it "right away now", one could just as easily say they're going to do it "right away tomorrow" (明日すぐ). This apparent lack of idiomaticity suggests that this entry might fail our WT:CFI. -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 05:22, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

I would keep it still as a back translation target, if Edict inclusion is not sufficient. There are other dictionaries, like Babel and Weblio, which has it (not sure if they copied from Edict). Edict dictionary is used in multiple applications and web sites, so the term is also available on many gadgets, e.g. my JED dictionary on my android phone has it. Perhaps a usage note? --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 05:41, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Usage note sounds good. I'm not wholly opposed to including 今すぐ, just concerned about follow-on effects.  :)

I note that Weblio's main JA <> JA search doesn't include 今すぐ, and it doesn't offer the EN <> JA results at all (see here). For some reason I thought that Weblio provided all hits on one page, but I guess it's broken up by language. Ah, well.

Weblio's search hits should all give some indication of the original source. Looking at the link you provided, I see three entries on the page, with the sources given as the ハイパー英語辞書, JMdict (which appears to be related to, equal to, and / or containing EDICT, not entirely sure about the relationship), and Weblio英和対訳辞書 (which notes that, 「Weblio英和対訳辞書はプログラムで機械的に意味や英語表現を生成しているため、不適切な項目が含まれていることもあります。」).

Cheers, -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 06:06, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

As an aside, I also see that Babel has lots of other SOP terms, like 今から or 今ごろ or 今こそ, none of which are particularly idiomatic -- one could easily replace the 今 with some other time word like 明日 or 昨日 or 来年 or 二時. -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 06:37, 2 April 2013 (UTC)