Talk:咱們

咱們 as object

@Justinrleung, Tooironic, 沈澄心, 恨国党非蠢即坏 I'm not terribly familiar with colloquial Mandarin, but Modern Mandarin Chinese Grammar: A Practical Guide by Claudia Ross and Jing-Heng Sheng Ma says 咱們 is used only as subject but never as object. Is this actually true? I don't find such descriptions in other grammars (e.g. 语法讲义 by 朱德熙). RcAlex36 (talk) 13:45, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

p.76 实用现代汉语语法 (增订本) says 咱們 can be used as the 主語, 賓語 and 定語. RcAlex36 (talk) 13:54, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

@RcAlex36: Pretty sure it can be an object. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 18:29, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Yup, added some quotes to support this. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 18:49, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

@Justinrleung, RcAlex36 Thank you! Excellent work. Languageseeker (talk) 19:09, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

咱們 to refer to either the speaker + other or the listener + others

@Justinrleung, Tooironic, 沈澄心, 恨国党非蠢即坏, RcAlex36 I've seen in multiple places online that 咱們 can refer to either the speaker + others or the listeners + others. A sort of "us, but really you" or "us including you, but not really you". Is this correct?

• Proposed text: "In certain cases, 咱們／咱们 (zánmen) refers to either the speaker and those others associated with the speaker or the listener and those associate with the listener."

• http://flax.nzdl.org/greenstone3/flax;jsessionid=052401C6323F0CF2209B8A03DDD5FA55?a=d&c=BAWEAH&d=D1916&dt=simple&p.a=b&p.s=ClassifierBrowse
• https://chinese.stackexchange.com/questions/8242/differences-between-%E5%92%B1%E4%BB%AC-and-%E6%88%91%E4%BB%AC

Languageseeker (talk) 19:09, 31 October 2020 (UTC)