Talk:実相

RFV discussion: September 2018–February 2021

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実相 -- Jitsusō reading

An anon has apparently been going through ENAMDICT and adding entries here. ENAMDICT is available via Jim Breen's WWWJDIC, which is a decent source, but I'm not sure of the data provenance.

Can anyone confirm that this reading Jitsusō actually exists in the wild? Outside of ENAMDICT and one other online JA-JA name dictionary, I can only find the expected Jissō. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 19:47, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Here are four online dictionaries giving the romanization Jitsusou (next to Jissou): [1], [2], [3], [4]. Not exactly in the wild, though.  --Lambiam 00:27, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the legwork. It looks like this might be a dictionary-only reading. Going through the links,

1. Jisho.org is notable for its unreliability, and lists JMnedict among its sources, which I understand sources from ENAMDICT, the same as Breen's website.
2. The entry at Weblio for the Jitsusō reading is also from JMnedict, which I understand sources from ENAMDICT, the same as Breen's website.
3. Kanshūdō doesn't have any source information.
4. Oriental Outpost sources from EDICT, whence also ENAMDICT.

Curious if anyone bumps into someone with this name. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 01:07, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

I get several Californian hits for different but apparently related people with the middle name “Jitsuso” combined with the surname “Yamada”.  --Lambiam 08:41, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, that's useful suggestive evidence, but we're lacking any kanji in these cases, so it's hard to confirm if this reading matches this spelling. Unfortunately, expanding the search to include the kanji results in zero hits.  :(

An interesting possibility is that this is an instance of "Ellis Island-ic", where a name has undergone transformation during the process of immigration to the US. In older kana orthographies, the small "tsu" character っ used to indicate geminate consonants (as in the expected kana spelling じっそう (jissō) for this kanji compound) was not always written smaller. I wonder if it was reinterpreted as regular つ (tsu) instead, but perhaps only outside of Japan? ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 16:07, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

There seems to be a blogger with the handle "真如実相", but that seems more likely to be Shinyo Jissō (roughly, Mr. True Nature). Cnilep (talk) 01:58, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

RFV-deleted — surjection ⟨??⟩ 11:09, 8 February 2021 (UTC)