Talk:片

Alternate definition?

Can this also mean "card," as in 名片? 24.93.170.200 12:20, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Can this also mean "slab"? 24.93.170.200 07:28, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Can this also mean "photo" or "photograph"? 24.29.228.33 09:26, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it can also mean "photograph." Added. 131.123.176.126 03:24, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Can this also mean "card," as in 名片? 131.123.176.126 03:24, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Can this also mean "slab"? 131.123.176.126 03:25, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Mandarin readings

Can it be added in which contexts the two different Mandarin readings are used? 131.123.176.126 03:25, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Japanese on'yomi Pronunciations?

The entry under the Japanese section for use as a kanji only covers the Kun pronunciation of "kata" (かた), neglecting not only the go-on & kan-on pronunciation of "hen" (へん), but also the other apparent Kun reading of the character, "hira" (ひら).

I ended up on this page due to the unusual reading of the kanji 雪 (usually pronounced "yuki", per the Kun reading, sometimes read as "setsu"(or in this case, shortened to "sē") in compounds) found in 雪片 "seppen" (snowflake).

To my dismay, there is nothing on this page relating to the Japanese use of 片 in the context of へん (morphed in this compound to ペ through rendaku). Zephyrump (talk) 02:29, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

@Zephyrump --

As Wiktionary is a volunteer project, there are (and probably always will be) gaps in our coverage.

For Japanese single-kanji entries more specifically, the entries I've seen at least cover the absolute basics: educational level (if there is one), readings (although the go / kan distinction isn't always split out for on'yomi), and a gloss. If the entry doesn't have any fuller information further below under an "Etymology" section, the gloss is usually listed at the top of the entry in the header section. If the entry does have an "Etymology" section, glosses are listed under that.

The entry section for Japanese 片 does indicate that this has a goon and kan'on reading of へん (hen), and separate kun'yomi of かた (kata) and ひら (hira), so we've got the readings covered.

There is also an "Etymology" section, which includes a gloss. Granted, this section is for the kata reading, and we should (ideally, eventually) add sections for the other readings as well. If you have the motivation and information, please have a go at it! 😄

HTH! ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 17:26, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

PS -- Minor terminology thing. 連濁 (rendaku) literally means "sequential voicing". This applies to things like 合羽 (kappa, “cape, coat”) undergoing voicing on that initial consonant when it appears as the second element in certain compounds, such as 雨合羽 (amagappa).

When an initial /h/ shifts to become a /b/, as in 値 (ne, “price”) + 引き (hiki, “pulling”) → 値引き (nebiki, “discount”), that's rendaku. This has to do with historical phonology -- the /h/ used to be a /p/, and a voiced /p/ becomes a /b/. If you're interested, I wrote a longer explanation of the sound changes over time over in this post at the Japanese Stack Exchange.

When an initial /h/ shifts to become a /p/, there's no voicing involved, so it's not rendaku. I think the proper word for this is 促音便 (sokuonbin, “gemination”).

Cheers! ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 17:39, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Oh, I had it backwards! Thank you for clarifying that & I look forward to reading that more in-depth explanation, thanks so much for the time you spend on it!

As far as the etymology behind the on'yomi pronunciations goes, unfortunately this is just my thirst for knowledge & bringing attention to the gap in information, in the event it may just have been overlooked.

I know it's all volunteer efforts & don't mean to rush anyone, by any means.

I hope I didn't come across that way, but I do have a tendency to be direct & I think that can read as demanding or rude. I'm very sorry if I did that here! Zephyrump (talk) 02:10, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

No worries @Zephyrump! 😄 ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 04:57, 9 May 2023 (UTC)