Talk:胡祿

@Anylai Can I please trouble you with another Turkic etymology in Chinese? This is a literary Chinese term for “arrow case; quiver”, with a large number of variant forms, and supposedly derived from qurluq in some (historical) Turkic language. I haven't been able to locate the exact native-script Turkic forms, but I did find these:

• Proto-Turkic *Kurman, *Kurug-luk (“bow-case; quiver”), and
• “Einige Bemerkungen zu Türk. saγdaq, qur und keš” (“Some Comments On Turk. saγdaq, qur and keš”) (1974) by Menges.

Could you please see if you could find the forms of this word in Karakhanid or modern Turkic languages? That would be immensely helpful.

Thank you so much in advance! Wyang (talk) 09:47, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Hello @Wyang, the word you are looking for is Karakhanid قُرُغْلُقْ (quruɣluq, “quiver”) which can also be found in Khakas хурлух (xurlux, “quiver”) but not in Turkish. The word can be analysed as qur-uɣ-luq, "container for something strung", derived from qur- (to set up, string, erect). See Turkish kur-. Starling for some reason keeps it apart from the verb though, probably because of parallels in Mongolic, but this verb is recorded many times for stringing a bow in medieval records. Compare Karakhanid ارْ يا قُرْدٖى - er yā qurdï̄ - the man strung his bow. Another derivation from qur-uɣ is qur-uɣ-luɣ, such as Karakhanid قُرُغْلُغْ (quruɣluɣ, “strung, erected”), in this case this is also found in Turkish as kurulu (“set up, strung, erected (adj.)”). This word can be analysed as having the properties of stringing/something strung rather than the simple translations i provided. --Anylai (talk) 11:34, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Perfect, I will add them to the entry. Thank you so much for your help, @Anylai! Wyang (talk) 11:41, 24 September 2017 (UTC)