Talk:西黑省

Pronunciation

@Justinrleung I'm wondering if you have an insight here on what to do. @Mlgc1998 got this word from an old person who grew up in Bacolod City. The south was more settled by Chinese immigrants that are more Xiamen-leaning (maybe from Tong'an?). These days, these places don't speak much Hokkien anymore, most are concentrated in Manila, and the big urban areas like maybe Cebu, Davao, and Zamboanga. Anyway, most of the Philippine Hokkien info in Wiktionary is from Manila, this is from Bacolod. Do you think it should be presented as the same thing, or no? Mar vin kaiser (talk) 11:18, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser Xiamen descendants are mostly in Sulu, with some spreading to Zamboanga to CDO and Cebu, which are also places with many Quanzhou descended filchi as well. The Bacolod-Iloilo filchi or in general, Panay island to Negros island or even those in most of Visayas to most of Mindanao are also mostly from Quanzhou as well. There are still Hokkien speakers in Iloilo and Bacolod, as much as speakers in Davao and surrounding provinces of Metro Manila and Metro Cebu. In college, I had filchi classmates and batchmates too from Bacolod and Iloilo. They would speak a mix of Quanzhou-based Ph Hokkien and Hiligaynon on the phone with their parents. Of course, it is mostly the boomers, silent gen, and some gen X who natively use it just like in the rest of the country. For Bacolod, Bacolod Tay Tung is very traditional and for sure, that's where you can find Hokkien speakers there in Negros Occidental. There is even a chinese school in Cadiz city in northern Negros Occidental that has a dedicated class teaching Hokkien. That is what our younger filchi friend from Bacolod also in chat that told us months ago. Mlgc1998 (talk) 13:26, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

@Mlgc1998: Thanks for that info. All the Filchi I've met in Bacolod or Iloilo are just not Hokkien speakers anymore, at least for my experience. The "hek" is a Xiamen-leaning indication though. Oh by the way, it's weird that the entry has "省" then the definition you put also has 省. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 15:14, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser it would be awkward without the 省, since 西黑 seems to be using a seemingly common root from written Mandarin perspective. In Vicente Lim's 1941 book, this and Negros Oriental and Mountain Province are the only provinces there also using 省 at the end, probably to ensure that the term is referring to the proper noun, that of a province place name rather than the common noun that the root entails. The provincial placenames in Ph Hokkien found in names of filchi schools and local organizations or so all seem to have been coined by someone formally at some point. This term for Negros Occidental seems to probably have been coined from the perspective of a formal Amoy sort of name "西黑人省" calqued from what the original Spanish name of the province entailed "Negros Occidental", then the few speakers who remember it and might use it once in a while might've just shortened it to 西黑省 or at least for sir Von's case last time. Mlgc1998 (talk) 21:16, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

@Mlgc1998: Then the "~省" shouldn't be in the definition section anymore, right? --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 09:14, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser doesnt that tag just add the entry to the categories, Category:zh:Provinces of the Philippines and Category:zh:Places in the Philippines? I just followed how other entries about provinces were made. Mlgc1998 (talk) 17:44, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

@Mlgc1998: It tags the entry to these categories but in the definition it implies that you can add "~省" at the end of the entry, which would make it "西黑省省". --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 02:26, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

@Mar vin kaiser ah I thought it was the similarity sign in math and programming that meant it is trying to say it is approximately similar to a province probably from China perspective of however provincial administrative system works there. Mlgc1998 (talk) 14:56, 13 October 2023 (UTC)