Talk:閩南

RFV discussion: January 2019–August 2020

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閩南

閩東

閩北

Rfv-sense "Southern Min" (etc.) —Suzukaze-c◇◇ 02:24, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Duh. Those are obviously well-attested phrases; there are even whole Wikipedia articles about the regions! Johnny Shiz (talk) 22:53, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

@Johnny Shiz: This is rfv-sense for the senses referring to the topolects (varieties of Min Chinese), not for those referring to the regions (parts of Fujian), which are not rfv-ed. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 00:59, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: The topolect senses are well-attested. What else are they called? What are you talking about? Johnny Shiz (talk) 00:32, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

@Johnny Shiz: They're usually called 閩南話／闽南话 (mǐnnánhuà), not just 閩南／闽南 (Mǐnnán). — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 05:00, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: 閩南 is a very common abbreviation for 閩南話; even being used in Wiktionary, etc. Johnny Shiz (talk) 21:23, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

@Johnny Shiz: Saying that something is "very common" doesn't help. Use in Wiktionary is not a valid argument for common use. (I'm not even sure where it's used in Wiktionary as 閩南 instead of 閩南話 or 閩南語). We need actual evidence here at RFV. See WT:CFI. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 21:26, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

RFV failed, and unverified sources have been removed accordingly. I've seen "Minnan", etc. used as English names for the dialects, particularly on Wiktionary itself. But it's not in Chinese; in Chinese, languages are always followed by the character 話 or 語: for example, French is 法語. Johnny Shiz (talk) 21:34, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

@Johnny Shiz: I think this has been closed too hastily. (While it has been sitting here for a month, it seems like we generally let it sit a bit longer.) I have found some possible attestations:

• [1]: 读会晓闽南，听会晓闽南
• google:"閩南諺語", google:"闽南谚语" — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 21:56, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: The thing is, we don't just say 法 for 法語, etc. Johnny Shiz (talk) 21:58, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

@Johnny Shiz: There are exceptions to rules. Also 法 can be used to mean "French" in something like 英法辭典. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 22:00, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

@Justinrleung: Got it. About the original three phrases, found enough attestations yet? Johnny Shiz (talk) 22:02, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

• It should be cited for 閩南. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 22:36, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
• It should also be cited for 閩東. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 23:50, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
• It should also be cited for 閩北. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 07:35, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

• RFV passed. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 22:59, 13 August 2020 (UTC)