Talk:Afro-Asiatic
Latest comment: 4 years ago by Metaknowledge in topic RFM discussion: March–May 2020
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It's hard to search for, but I noticed that our entries don't match the scholarly literature, which generally uses Afroasiatic (except for a minority of mostly Russian scholars who Afrasian instead of either option). Google Ngrams confirms that Afroasiatic has been more common for decades. If we move the entries, we should also rename our code [afa] to match, as well as all the categories and renaming the protolanguage. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 20:16, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
- Anyone have input on this somewhat far-reaching change? @Mahagaja, -sche, Fay Freak —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 04:39, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- I really don't have a strong opinion about this one way or the other. —Mahāgaja · talk 04:47, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- I saw thsi before and didn't feel strongly enough to comment (sorry), but yes, if "Afroasiatic" is more common, then this should be renamed. (I have no appetite for the amount of editing that will entail...) - -sche (discuss) 05:03, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- Although it would be nice to rename it, it seems like an awful lot of work and disruption for a hyphen- especially since there's no risk whatsoever of confusion. It's not the entries that are going to be a problem, thanks to etymology templates, it's the categories: Category:Terms derived from Afro-Asiatic languages contains 433 subcategories, and there are additional categories for inheritance and borrowing. I'm surprised that it's only 433- we're talking about the source languages of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, not to mention Egyptian, Akkadian/Babylonian, Phoenician and Aramaic. Chuck Entz (talk) 06:16, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Benwing2, this seems like a case where a bot would be needed. As Chuck says, it's a lot of work for one hyphen, but I think we'd all rather use the regular spelling. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 23:25, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Metaknowledge, Chuck Entz This sort of renaming isn't too hard by bot. I've done similar things before. Basically I just find the list of all categories containing "Afro-Asiatic" and then look through a recent dump for any pages (including modules and templates) that manually add an "Afro-Asiatic" category. Benwing2 (talk) 00:07, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Benwing2: In that case, I think we have consensus to change it, so I'd appreciate the botting when you get a chance. Thank you! —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 16:14, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Metaknowledge I did the category renames and module changes. I also renamed the four Proto-Afroasiatic lemma pages plus Appendix:Afroasiatic Swadesh lists and Index:Proto-Afroasiatic. There are still several pages that use the old spelling. We need to go through each one and figure out whether and how to change them. Perhaps you can help with this. The full list is here, along with the text in question: User:Benwing2/afroasiatic. Also to do is to create the page Proto-Afroasiatic and change Afroasiatic to be the primary lemma page instead of Afro-Asiatic. Benwing2 (talk) 04:23, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note that the page User:Benwing2/afroasiatic only lists the first match per page; there may be others on the same page. Benwing2 (talk) 04:24, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Benwing2: Thank you! I've finished fixing everything on your list. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 05:31, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note that the page User:Benwing2/afroasiatic only lists the first match per page; there may be others on the same page. Benwing2 (talk) 04:24, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Metaknowledge I did the category renames and module changes. I also renamed the four Proto-Afroasiatic lemma pages plus Appendix:Afroasiatic Swadesh lists and Index:Proto-Afroasiatic. There are still several pages that use the old spelling. We need to go through each one and figure out whether and how to change them. Perhaps you can help with this. The full list is here, along with the text in question: User:Benwing2/afroasiatic. Also to do is to create the page Proto-Afroasiatic and change Afroasiatic to be the primary lemma page instead of Afro-Asiatic. Benwing2 (talk) 04:23, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Benwing2: In that case, I think we have consensus to change it, so I'd appreciate the botting when you get a chance. Thank you! —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 16:14, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Metaknowledge, Chuck Entz This sort of renaming isn't too hard by bot. I've done similar things before. Basically I just find the list of all categories containing "Afro-Asiatic" and then look through a recent dump for any pages (including modules and templates) that manually add an "Afro-Asiatic" category. Benwing2 (talk) 00:07, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Benwing2, this seems like a case where a bot would be needed. As Chuck says, it's a lot of work for one hyphen, but I think we'd all rather use the regular spelling. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 23:25, 12 May 2020 (UTC)