Talk:Mickey Mouse ring

RFV discussion: July 2021

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Mickey Mouse ring

Does not seem to be present in durably archived sources. (Also a recent coinage, but we can't call it a hot word if it's not even attestable according to all the rules besides spanning more than one year.) —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 19:17, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Cited AG202 (talk) 04:14, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

@AG202: I don't think radio is generally considered durably archived. Also, for your two newspaper cites, did you check that they appeared in print? —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 04:34, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

@Metaknowledge Yes, NYT appeared in print on December 31. Complex unfortunately closed their print office in 2016 due to layoffs, but I still consider it a source that could be cited and printed if one needed to print it. Also, as a side note, I created the citations page so that I could add additional citations at a later point when I had time, without filling the quotations section with a bunch of citations, similarly to how some other entries do it. Didn't think it'd be deleted that swiftly. AG202 (talk) 04:52, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

The term is also mentioned in The Daily Trojan, which is archived on Lexis/Nexis. Cnilep (talk) 01:46, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Cited in the Daily Californian as well, which has a print edition. AG202 (talk) 05:12, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Cited with three durably archived sources. RFV passed. AG202 (talk) 05:13, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

RFD discussion: July 2021

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Mickey Mouse ring

Recently-added sense 1 (a ring featuring Mickey Mouse) seems to be SoP. AG202 (talk) 05:32, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

I added it, and would have no principled objection to removing it as SoP. I went back and forth in my own mind about that. The sense is, “A ring featuring the cartoon character, Mickey Mouse.” Cnilep (talk) 08:06, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Alternatively, replace the definition by {{&lit|en|see {{w|Mickey Mouse}} and [[ring]]}}. The template {{&lit}} is intended for SoP senses next to an idiomatic sense.  --Lambiam 10:28, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Just curious ... in the "championship in a sporting competition" sense, is "ring" the kind of ring that one puts on one's finger, imagined as a cheap prize for winning? Or does it have some other explanation? Mihia (talk) 01:37, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Each member of the team that wins the championship gets a commemorative ring to wear, so the ring is used metonymically to symbolize the championship itself. Chuck Entz (talk) 05:01, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

I see, thanks. (I have never heard of it, and all the mentions I can find in this sense seem to be US-sourced, so I have taken an educated guess and labelled it "US"). Mihia (talk) 10:04, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Indeed, it can be a ring one can put on one’s finger; see these images. An account of how it is derogatorily called a “Mickey Mouse” ring can be found here.  --Lambiam 10:19, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Given that we have the literal definition and the ‘championship’ definition, perhaps we could add the third related definition referring to the commemorative ring itself? Regardless, we should keep this entry.Overlordnat1 (talk) 12:02, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Given that the idiomatic sense exists, keep as "&lit" per Lambiam. Mihia (talk) 10:09, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Got it, thanks! AG202 (talk) 17:39, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

RFD resolved AG202 (talk) 19:04, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

RFV discussion: December 2021–February 2022

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Mickey Mouse ring

Rfv-sense "a championship ... of lower quality"

Previously verified as a hotword; see Talk:Mickey Mouse ring.

Via Google search, I see that this is still being used at least occasionally on Twitter and Facebook, mainly by people insulting LeBron James. I can't find it in durably archived sources later than September 2021, though. (It was apparent coined c. December 2020.) Cnilep (talk) 02:10, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

@Cnilep Not a policy remark, but more of a moral one - Could we not have waited a little longer than the literal month of the year mark of when it was coined? It would obviously not be likely pass, since you'd have to find two cites since after this month of December. This is an inherent problem with our current CFI standards for attestation, since it was admitted here that if the Internet alone were our standard this would pass with flying colors. (I know, I know, Equinox or whoever it was who said not to put unrelated comments in RFV, it clogs up the backlog. But it's just something I HAD to get off my chest tonight.) PseudoSkull (talk) 02:23, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Completely agree as the person that had to go through the painstaking task of finding acceptable citations for the term. I'm not really keen on going through it again. AG202 (talk) 03:21, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Oh for goodness sakes, the hotword year is only up on December 3 -- it is too early to be doing this. We have a cite as recent as October. Kiwima (talk) 05:30, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

The nice thing about an all-volunteer project is that if someone is not really keen to do something, they are absolutely not required to do it. There are even various ways of requesting that other volunteers help with things like verifying entries. On the down side, though, there can be different interpretations of statements such as "[Entries here] must be submitted to WT:RFV", and it can be bothersome to seek consensus to change the statements. Happy holidays, Cnilep (talk) 00:08, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

I started a discussion. This, that and the other (talk) 03:05, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

I changed "must" to "can" at Category:Hot words older than a year in case someone actually reads that page and takes it seriously. DCDuring (talk) 13:53, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

There are now quotations on Citations:Mickey Mouse ring from October 2020 to January 2022. Unless someone wants to argue about "permanently archived" (the 2022 usage is user generated web content archived by Internet Archive), I would say RFV passed. Cnilep (talk) 23:50, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

My problem with the 2022 quote is that it is really a mention rather than a use, but it still shows that the term has some currency for more than a year, so I will accept it for that purpose. Kiwima (talk) 18:45, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Etymology

the tenuous connection to a similar term from post WW2 in Britain is most certainly a coincidence, the Mickey Mouse Championship was certainly referring to how it was held in Disney World and how the circumstances around that series rendered it invalid. Unless there can be shown a connection between these two uses 7 decades apart it should not say “likely from” the original term 2600:1700:B0B1:0:71F8:86FE:7BC3:DB1 01:28, 26 October 2023 (UTC)