Talk:South China
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Rfd-sense "Southern China"-- maybe SOP? Or it could be changed to a "lb|en|literal|usually| &lit|en|south|China" or similar --Geographyinitiative (talk) 00:37, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
- Well, we definitely need this, as it has a Wikipedia article plain to see: w:South China. The idea of looking up South China and finding a village in Maine but no mention of the vastly larger territory in Asia is something we should avoid. We just need to refine the meaning. It's possible the definition has changed over time ... China was once colonized by Western powers, after all, and it's possible that the late-1800s sense at the bottom could refer to some defined area consisting of at least Kwangsi and Hong Kong that was under the control of a Western navy at least indirectly. —Soap— 07:36, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
- Liangguang is one possible candidate for the area I'm thinking of ... it was not an independent country, but it seems that it was set apart from the rest of China for a period of time in the late Qing dynasty by having greater Western oversight than the country as a whole. See w:Liangguang for more details. —Soap— 07:51, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
- I didnt notice this was RFD until I saw the reply below. Consider this a keep vote as well, but with a request that we pin down the definition and if necessary split it into at least two. —Soap— 09:20, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. In addition to that article, there is the South China Sea, South China tiger, and South China Morning Post. DonnanZ (talk) 08:03, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
Okay, let me ask this: among the cites at Citations:South China, are there some that go with a SoP/literal meaning, and some that go with a more "solidified" South China? Maybe the lowercase "south China" ones are SoP/literal? Compare to Citations:northeast China, West Taiwan. --Geographyinitiative (talk) 15:58, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
I made the definition into this: diff. Now I think it may be okay not to delete this, idk. Revert/change/etc as you see fit! --Geographyinitiative (talk) 10:11, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
- I liked it better the way we had it before, but I would still prefer to have a more expanded definition, and perhaps two definitions, than to just say it means southern China or use the &lit template. I just havent gotten around to this because I figured that there was still plenty of time. Anyway, note that most of our cites are capitalized ... I think this was traditionally perceived as a political entity, even though it was never the official name of a separate country. Compare Free China and Red China which are also usually capitalized despite not being official proper names. —Soap— 11:30, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
- Keep as a well-defined geographical region. ·~ dictátor·mundꟾ 18:22, 19 September 2023 (UTC)