Talk:aranaruaq
Latest comment: 11 months ago by This, that and the other in topic RFV discussion: March 2021–June 2023
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Upper Kuskokwim. This user added words for "two-spirit" in several different languages. Could it actually just be a mistranslated slur?__Gamren (talk) 20:45, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
- That looks more like an Eskimo-Aleut language to me than anything Athabaskan, I think the northern Athabaskan languages typically dont even have a /q/, for one thing. The words may be correct, but the language certainly isnt. One book suggests it may be Yupik, which apparently overlaps in its historic territory with the much smaller Upper Kuskokwim language. —Soap— 21:34, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- If you go to the website they linked to, it has "Kuskokwim River (Central Alaskan)" under "Y" for "Yup’ik". It's obviously a geographic designation, not a linguistic one. This was misinterpreted as referring to the Upper Kuskokwim language. I would also note that at least one of the other Yupik lects there has very similar forms.
- I'm not terribly impressed by that website's attention to detail: they have Juaneño (a dialect of Luiseño) listed as both "Juaneno" (no tilde on the n) and "Luiseno, San Juan Capistrano" (again, it's Luiseño) with different orthographies. It's also not very well organized and poorly formatted. Even so, this person bears full responsibility for creating an entry when they didn't even know enough to realize they had the wrong language altogether.
- Given that their one listed source isn't all that reliable, and even it disagrees with them, I think this one fails miserably even as an LDL
- There are several California Indian cultures that had men living as women, so I'm not disputing that part, but there's a good bit of sloppiness all around when it comes to the whole phenomenon of Native American two-spirits. Chuck Entz (talk) 02:38, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
This book and this slideshow (from which theindigenist.com has sloppily copy-pasted its content) confirm Chuck's theory. I have changed the language of both terms to Yu'pik. This is now RFV-resolved. This, that and the other (talk) 09:47, 24 June 2023 (UTC)